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Where's the pirates?

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Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-19 20:23:25 UTC
From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2014-08-19 20:26:06 UTC
There are very few 'pirates' left in EVE. Most people living in low/null are PVPers. They want the killmail, not the isk. any loot you drop is just a bonus.

why? because there are simple other, better ways to make money. running plexes or having a highsec alt run missions/incursions.

pirating for ransoms is a terrible way to make money. it rarely pays off large.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-08-19 20:29:49 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship. The issue with this is that there's really no economic opportunity's for anyone who's flying a non-PVP ship (miner, hauler, etc.). There's just too much ganking/gate camping, and why is that? There's more money in classic pirate ransom than blowing up anything that flies in space, and I'd take ISK over ship explosions and killboard numbers any day. With the "if it moves, it's dead" tactics it limits the growth of that area. It makes it too dangerous for anyone without a PVP fit. At least if I pay 50% of my ship value to a pirate, I get to keep my non-pvp ship and not recieve money from my horrible "platinum" policy which actually covers 1% of my ship value. That brings me into another matter. Insurance is broken. CCP's "anti-fraud" insurance backfired. Why does my super-durable procurer have a "100%" value of 2 million ISK, but my frigate insurance worth the real 100%? I think when CCP designed nullsec/lowsec, they didn't expect that ganking would become so popular, and insurance needs a big overhaul. Once nullsec/lowsec becomes more ISK centered and insurance becomes useful, people will begin going there more often.




Wow.......

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-08-19 20:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Yarr

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-19 20:40:47 UTC
Don't know about nullsec, but moving stuff around in lowsec is easy with the right ships, and there's ISK to be made - if you move the right stuff to the right places.

Maybe you're not doing it right?

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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-19 20:47:06 UTC
to the pirate that gets to plex himself and pay for his expensive toys every month with just ransoms , i tip my hat for you
Anslo
Scope Works
#7 - 2014-08-19 20:52:09 UTC
I've actually never tried to ransom. Most people don't because the other person just keeps shooting back and you risk the guy buying time for his fleet to jump into system to dunk you.

Then again I tend to ransom the people doing the ransoming so....my situations a wee bit different.

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Marsha Mallow
#8 - 2014-08-19 21:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
CODE are pirates. The filthy roleplaying is unfortunate, as is all the meta, but that's how the game stands right now. m0o got similar abuse for their activities when they were active. Fair enough they didn't nerd-RP, but they were equally obnoxious and awesome. Marmite still merc, with a different reputation to Noir/0rphanage/Privateers, but the playstyle is still there. It's just different faces and adjusted mechanics.

There's been a major attitude shift in the last few years from "Yarrrrr" and singing ransoms to "this is cyberbullying, harassment and griefing". So... there are no pirates left. Just griefers, gankers and 'sociopaths'. Which is a real shame.

If the themeparkers want to come in and have hysterics when someone blows up their pixels, it's not all that surprising pirates have just stopped bothering trying to loot or ransom. It doesn't have to be a primary income source when ISK farming is so easy via alts. The outrage is it's own reward. It's also shifted to 'all about the killmails' (which isn't a bad thing if people are thick enough to put squillions into squishable ships).

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#9 - 2014-08-19 21:54:39 UTC
CODE are not pirates. Evil Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates.

I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends.

That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom! Lol
iob ccuf azu
#10 - 2014-08-19 21:55:18 UTC
WELP

I think most people are to scared to go to lowsex because of ~feelings~ so there are no more pirates for that reason

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Marsha Mallow
#11 - 2014-08-19 22:04:25 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
CODE are not pirates. Evil Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates.

I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends.

That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom! Lol

m0o 2003 "infamouse terrorist group"
Just saying :P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#12 - 2014-08-19 22:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rabe Raptor
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
CODE are not pirates. Evil Call them terrorists if you will, but not pirates.

I will invade your lowsec mission, I will ransom your pod instead of destroying your implants. I fly pre-heated multi-scram fits to grab stabbed PI Industrials off rival POCO's. I bribe CONCORD for security status. No ratter is safe from me and my friends.

That's what pirates do in my book, not this CODE hisec RP ganker nonsense. Please don't compare our noble profession with the bads hisec regurgitates out of boredom! Lol


We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference.

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#13 - 2014-08-19 22:12:52 UTC
Charles Muffins wrote:
From my experience in null/lowsec, it seems to me that the only way to survive is to come out guns blazing in a battleship.
In lowsec that's the best way to get yourself hotdropped.

Who put the goat in there?
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#14 - 2014-08-19 22:14:59 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:

We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference.


That wasn't even called for.

Go sit in the corner and think about what you just did.

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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#15 - 2014-08-19 22:31:16 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
Rabe Raptor wrote:

We are non-profit and pirates are non-prophet. Big difference.


That wasn't even called for.

Go sit in the corner and think about what you just did.


I think about nothing else.

Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com

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Solecist Project
#16 - 2014-08-19 22:54:25 UTC
Errr... i know quite a few lowsec miners.

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Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-08-19 22:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
And CODE are as much pirates as myself.

Zero.

RP...different topic. So bad at it, CODE could be the TEST of RP! XD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-08-20 00:34:55 UTC
There's some of us old dogs still around.... Pirate
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#19 - 2014-08-20 00:51:33 UTC
I have always honored ransoms.

But these days, it's not really worth bothering with. Most people will tell you to get stuffed, somehow they'd rather lose their ship entirely than pay me a third it's value.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-08-20 00:56:33 UTC
To be honest, last time I ransomed someone, the reply I got was "go **** yourself you lowlife scumbag"...

I used to ransom people when I could, but so very few people actually accepted, it wasn't worth it. And that last reply made me stop ransoming . Funny thing is, I actually honour the ransom...

I think the other side of the story is the fact that (as stated above) most people are more bothered about the killmail nowadays that they take the ISK and kill you anyway. There are some who are honest though.

Also, in Wormhole space I know TDSIN and (I think) NOHO offer a "sing your way to freedom" that they do uphold.

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