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Seriously now CCP

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Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-12-09 16:47:48 UTC
I better hear some good news and soon, since I been waiting since 2008 for improvements to FW. I'm tired talking about solutions about FW. I'm running on empty with patience with CCP habitual stalling on FW. Frankly is time for CCP to put or shut up. I want to know about upcoming changes and a timeline of implementation. Ideally I want to see a 2012 winter patch.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#42 - 2011-12-09 17:28:27 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
I better hear some good news and soon, since I been waiting since 2008 for improvements to FW. I'm tired talking about solutions about FW. I'm running on empty with patience with CCP habitual stalling on FW. Frankly is time for CCP to put or shut up. I want to know about upcoming changes and a timeline of implementation. Ideally I want to see a 2012 winter patch.


You're absolutely right, there isn't all that much more to discuss / debate regarding FW. To be honest, if you read the material from 3 years ago, it pretty much exactly mirrors the list of concerns people are still bringing up today.

I share your frustration, that's why I'm trying to push as hard as I can to make sure that both the developers and the CSM have everything they need and know how much this means to all of us.

I think we have to understand though that this isn't really stalling just on FW, it was stalling on a whole bunch of stuff delayed by the Incarna detour, and now that CCP has restructured and refocused their development teams, they actually have both the resources and the mandate from top leadership to go forth and catch up on the back log. Most of the items the community wants to see happen are already in the official queue of stuff to develop, so CCP has never really said "we're not doing this" (being in the queue means when, not if) only that they lacked resources allocated to it.

If you listen in Soundwave's interview, FW was the first and primary thing he brought up in terms of core gameplay features that are well past due for development, and will be focused on for summer expansion.

So lets all take a deep breath, relax a little and let them do their thing and respond with feedback as we hear more details. Any new ideas are great too at this point since the actual programming for summer hasn't begun yet.

The summit that is underway is where the planning is being done for summer, its in the concept stage currently, once the overall agenda is decided upon the feasiblity of implementation will be assessed, so its just too soon for anyone to make promises on what exactly is coming.

I hope its good news at least that we are NOT being ignored, put off, or fleeced any longer. We just need to be patient the next couple of months and give CCP some time to lock down exactly what will or won't be included. But I would bet my entire wallet and assets that we will see Faction Warfare development this summer, that's how confident I am based on what I'm hearing.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Xtover
Cold Moon Destruction.
#43 - 2011-12-09 17:32:47 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

Yeah it's like hybrids rebalance, after so much discussion and players feedback it appeard that they are ment to not exist on current pvp environement other than gank miners in belts just like before, the best way to improve hybrids is to give minmatar ammo some love.


Keep thinking that, please Lol
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#44 - 2011-12-09 17:37:02 UTC
How many times has this been that CCP said they are "looking into fixing FW"? Just remove it already since its obvious no one at CCP cares enough about it to create a vision for it. Almost all features has a dev or team that at least has some idea on where they want it to go, this doesn't seem the case for FW. Relying on input from massive amount of different opinions from the player base won't solve the issue or make things easier. Someone from CCP really needs to take charge of FW and choose a direction for it or just remove it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-12-09 18:09:43 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Words of Wisdom

To be honest of the reasons I come back into the game was because I reading some of your earlier post about potential development of FW for this patch. I was part of the quiet majority watching the development of this particular patch. When I come back into FW I was stunned just how Grimm the scene is. I honestly believe that FW is on its last legs, and I don’t think it will survive in its current state until next summer. The Caldari is literally down to one major corp. two competent FCs and few satellite corps. There isn’t enough momentum in Caldari FW to attract another major corp. or new members. I hate to be doom and gloom but, I been in FW for long time and this really is bottom of the barrel.
Personally I’m raising the white flag on plexing. I don’t have the energy or the stomach for an extended plexing campaign under the current mechanics. I might just go back into skill training comma or take another break from the game, unless I get some good news by the end of the month. It’s not like I’m lacking for other entertainment options.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#46 - 2011-12-09 18:11:35 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
How many times has this been that CCP said they are "looking into fixing FW"? Just remove it already since its obvious no one at CCP cares enough about it to create a vision for it. Almost all features has a dev or team that at least has some idea on where they want it to go, this doesn't seem the case for FW. Relying on input from massive amount of different opinions from the player base won't solve the issue or make things easier. Someone from CCP really needs to take charge of FW and choose a direction for it or just remove it.


Removing FW is a ridiculous idea. They would instantly lose over a thousand subscriptions at least, and too many players still participate (and continue to participate) irregardless of further development. Many more hold out hope for changes, that if confirmed would never come, might end their subscriptions as well. CCP won't take a revenue hit just to wash their hands and make it "go away" so individuals like yourself don't have to listen to "FW whiners" any more.

Should they remove POS's from the game because its obvious they dont have any concrete plans for a sweeping overhaul?

Lets be reasonable here. The issue regarding FW developed has always been a resource one - same as lot of other backlogged, half-assed features. The resource issue has been radically addressed. We have to temper some of the doomsday "nevergonnahappen" mentality while we give them time to actually use the new resources they have available.

There have been many player suggestions for improvements that developers, including Soundwave himself, have agreed "this is where we'd like it to go". Many of the developers DO have plans in mind, and not just for Faction Warfare, they were just under orders to work on space clothes instead, that's not their fault.

Also, the player pretty much DO agree on what needs to be changed. There are some minor mechanics debates going on, and a few big ones like Alliance participation, but the core issues facing and breaking FW are pretty consistently agreed upon.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#47 - 2011-12-09 18:47:10 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Words of Wisdom

To be honest of the reasons I come back into the game was because I reading some of your earlier post about potential development of FW for this patch. I was part of the quiet majority watching the development of this particular patch. When I come back into FW I was stunned just how Grimm the scene is. I honestly believe that FW is on its last legs, and I don’t think it will survive in its current state until next summer. The Caldari is literally down to one major corp. two competent FCs and few satellite corps. There isn’t enough momentum in Caldari FW to attract another major corp. or new members. I hate to be doom and gloom but, I been in FW for long time and this really is bottom of the barrel.
Personally I’m raising the white flag on plexing. I don’t have the energy or the stomach for an extended plexing campaign under the current mechanics. I might just go back into skill training comma or take another break from the game, unless I get some good news by the end of the month. It’s not like I’m lacking for other entertainment options.


Admittedly, this is one of my areas of weakness - knowledge of the inner workings of the Caldari / Gallente warfront. I tend to have tunnel vision with the Amarr / Minmatar conflict, and assume the other two militias operate similarly.

This is awful to hear though, I'm sorry you're having a tough time. It is a bit surprising to me only because things in our warzone have heated up quite a bit. There are (oddly enough) veteran corps that are back out in the plexes again (I'm trying to gain some specific feedback on whether its just boredom or a direct result of the plex changes) and the POCO deployment especially has given us a lot of new engagements. There are CTA's to defend and attack the POCO's owned by both sides of the militias, who are now in competition to control the resources of the local lowsec planets. Also, everyone seems to be enjoying the new BC's as well. Activity is definitely at a peak on this end, most its been in 6 months at least.

I know this is no way "fixes" the problems on the Gallente / Caldari end, I'd love to learn more about the history of that conflict and nature of activity in that region, but in the mean time if things are in crisis mode I might honestly suggest rolling over the restless Caldari / Gallente corps into their Amarr / Minmatar counterparts. Concentrating fights in one zone would mean more fun for everyone, but I know this may break RP / immersion and cause logistical issues for those living and operating in those areas.

It would, however, entertain all of us for a while and maybe send a strong message that the core issues need to be addressed ASAP - and keep everyone from moving elsewhere or quitting the game entirely in the mean time. Its sad things have grown so stale over there, all I can do is offer an invitation to come join the fray in our space if you'd like, and most importantly I appreciate the heads up, since I now realize my own personal bias when it comes to assessing the health of the scene as a whole.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

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