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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-08-18 05:09:37 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
if she stole the mission objective from the op after he had destroyed the rat would that not make her a criminal / suspect and allow you to agress? or did she jump into the mission and kill the rat herself making it her loot?


Often they steal the loot making them suspect but this doesn't give them a criminal flag. Yes you're free to engage but doing so in a mission ship would be extremely foolish. If you know that person is in system it wouldn't be too hard to set up a trap
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-08-18 15:56:56 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Armor Uta wrote:
Out of principle


Not words you should use while playing EVE. Blink


wrong.

out of principle i would have gone back and killed that gila...
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-18 17:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Erquilenne
The best way not to face this kind of crap is to either decline missions requiring a cargo or move your fat ass to the cargo as soon as it spawns.

I don't know why people in highsec fly battleships instead of heavy assault cruisers for lvl 4 missions. They're awesome because they're fast and agile. If you're fast no one will ever pick your stuff. Isthars are awesome snipers and can be cap stable with the MWD on and an active shield hardener... I'd even go as far as dropping the MTU right on top of your objective with such a ship before firing if you're paranoid. Food for thought.
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-08-18 18:30:34 UTC
If you were in or around Kappas then I probably know who you are talking about and they suck. It's how they make their isk I guess. I have them in contacts and won't take a mission in that system if I want the loot and they are logged in.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-08-18 19:15:21 UTC
Jax Kazen wrote:
If you were in or around Kappas then I probably know who you are talking about and they suck. It's how they make their isk I guess. I have them in contacts and won't take a mission in that system if I want the loot and they are logged in.


If it's a new pilot it's probably to make some easy ISK since basic scanning is fast to train. If it's an older pilot it's likely about trying to get a PVP engagement with a mission ship that's foolish enough to engage. Also either one could be a scout for a suicide gank.

If I know a mission item is about to drop I will be right on top of it at the time of spawning just in case someone does come in. If someone arrives in my mission I just warp out. This gives me an excuse to take a short break from the game. They'll likely get bored then move on to harassing someone else.

Eve is a PVP based game so everything you do has a PVP aspect. If you pick your fights and have a basic knowledge of the game mechanics it cam be very enjoyable.
Armor Uta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-08-18 19:53:35 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Jax Kazen wrote:
If you were in or around Kappas then I probably know who you are talking about and they suck. It's how they make their isk I guess. I have them in contacts and won't take a mission in that system if I want the loot and they are logged in.


If it's a new pilot it's probably to make some easy ISK since basic scanning is fast to train. If it's an older pilot it's likely about trying to get a PVP engagement with a mission ship that's foolish enough to engage. Also either one could be a scout for a suicide gank.

If I know a mission item is about to drop I will be right on top of it at the time of spawning just in case someone does come in. If someone arrives in my mission I just warp out. This gives me an excuse to take a short break from the game. They'll likely get bored then move on to harassing someone else.

Eve is a PVP based game so everything you do has a PVP aspect. If you pick your fights and have a basic knowledge of the game mechanics it cam be very enjoyable.


it is an older player that mainly flys gila and proteus. I do not have the skills to fight them since I am mainly skilled into a rattlesnake and logi ships both not suited to fighting t3 or pirate cruisers.

They warped into the second room of worlds collide as I was finishing it. When I saw them I scooped mtu, took loot I could carry, and warped out. I logged off for 3 hours. When I came back they were in a scanning ship in the first accel gate waiting for me I guess. They reshipped into gila and followed through the gates. In the last room they had already cleared it and stolen the cargo. They sent me a convo offering to sell it back for 20m.

I don't mind loot being stolen or my MTU getting destroyed sometimes. I do mind stealing cargo needed to complete missions. I just quit the mission and took a small standing loss. From reading the comments i gathered that missions not flagged as complete reset after downtime. If this happens again will just wait for mission to reset and use another agent for the rest of the time.
Armor Uta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-08-18 19:55:50 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Armor Uta wrote:
Out of principle


Not words you should use while playing EVE. Blink


wrong.

out of principle i would have gone back and killed that gila...


someone actually did kill her right after she stole my loot + mission cargo

https://zkillboard.com/kill/40709459/
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-08-18 20:06:55 UTC
Armor Uta wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Jax Kazen wrote:
If you were in or around Kappas then I probably know who you are talking about and they suck. It's how they make their isk I guess. I have them in contacts and won't take a mission in that system if I want the loot and they are logged in.


If it's a new pilot it's probably to make some easy ISK since basic scanning is fast to train. If it's an older pilot it's likely about trying to get a PVP engagement with a mission ship that's foolish enough to engage. Also either one could be a scout for a suicide gank.

If I know a mission item is about to drop I will be right on top of it at the time of spawning just in case someone does come in. If someone arrives in my mission I just warp out. This gives me an excuse to take a short break from the game. They'll likely get bored then move on to harassing someone else.

Eve is a PVP based game so everything you do has a PVP aspect. If you pick your fights and have a basic knowledge of the game mechanics it cam be very enjoyable.


it is an older player that mainly flys gila and proteus. I do not have the skills to fight them since I am mainly skilled into a rattlesnake and logi ships both not suited to fighting t3 or pirate cruisers.

They warped into the second room of worlds collide as I was finishing it. When I saw them I scooped mtu, took loot I could carry, and warped out. I logged off for 3 hours. When I came back they were in a scanning ship in the first accel gate waiting for me I guess. They reshipped into gila and followed through the gates. In the last room they had already cleared it and stolen the cargo. They sent me a convo offering to sell it back for 20m.

I don't mind loot being stolen or my MTU getting destroyed sometimes. I do mind stealing cargo needed to complete missions. I just quit the mission and took a small standing loss. From reading the comments i gathered that missions not flagged as complete reset after downtime. If this happens again will just wait for mission to reset and use another agent for the rest of the time.


Yea it looks like they completed the mission for you and stole the loot. I'm not sure if someone else doing your mission makes it complete but I guess it would.

NEVER engage a mission looter in a PVE ship. You will lose it unless they're terribad. It's not worth risking a mission ship to find out.

Not much you can do for those types. If you see they're about to do it just fail the mission. If you get this issue in your mission system a lot consider finding a new system. The agent finder makes it very easy.
voetius
Grundrisse
#29 - 2014-08-18 20:36:59 UTC
IIshira wrote:


Yea it looks like they completed the mission for you and stole the loot. I'm not sure if someone else doing your mission makes it complete but I guess it would.



I can confirm that you can complete a mission that is not your own. I've done this by taking a mission on an alt that couldn't do the mission and running it myself (back when Shipyard Theft dropped the 2 bill mining link).
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-08-19 04:18:20 UTC
Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-08-19 05:24:46 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.


I wouldn't care if someone did that for me in Recon. I always just blitz that one.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2014-08-19 05:31:38 UTC
Which is the best route for the Recon missions. zap through em fast as possible and move on. The fights aren't generally worth the time and effort and you can get fast lp just by blitzing it. Just my opinion, tho.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Zephraim Cockring
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-08-19 20:04:52 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
if she stole the mission objective from the op after he had destroyed the rat would that not make her a criminal / suspect and allow you to agress? or did she jump into the mission and kill the rat herself making it her loot?


no, and no.

ship's crew drops in a white container - looting the crew does not make looter suspect.
Mission owner owns mission wrecks regardless of who pops them.
Ginger Barbarella
#34 - 2014-08-19 20:32:19 UTC
Armor Uta wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
The OP said someone stole something he needed to complete the mission, so the mission couldn't get flagged as complete.


When you kill 'group one' in the final room the mission is flagged as complete. You cannot loot the wreck until that group is dead. If the ships crew is gone, they are gone for good (in that mission).


checked contracts issued by the player who stole it and seems like they have 4-5 contracts going for different cargo needed to complete missions.

I checked her killboard the day after she took my worlds collide loot and she lost a 600m gila to a navy vexor in high sec.


Name her, and tell everyone where you were running your mission. Unfortunately you have to keep your eyes open for douchebags that'll do this kind of thing.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-19 23:28:17 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.



Recon 2 ?

If you MJD from the spawn point you pop out right on the gate and mission complete. Recon 2 takes a single MJD cycle to complete :D
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#36 - 2014-08-20 03:13:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Sounds like this person is lonely and just wants to meet people. Either that or it's for profit. Most likely for profit.
And yes, you can trigger another person's mission objective.
Racing in a frigate to the trigger point in Recon 2 like a crazed spider monkey while the big old battleship slowboats.... always entertaining.
What happens next is what's interesting. Technically at this point a mission runner can simply dock up and complete mission.
The real conflict occurs when all those red crosses show up, just begging to be killed for bounty and loot.



Recon 2 ?

If you MJD from the spawn point you pop out right on the gate and mission complete. Recon 2 takes a single MJD cycle to complete :D


I think a warp speed rigged interceptor will still do it faster just based on align time and warp speed. but one MJD cycle does seem pretty fast.

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Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#37 - 2014-08-20 12:36:45 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Armor Uta wrote:
Had a lootter warp into my worlds collide mission in a Gila so I just scooped my MTU and took as much loot as i could hold. I logged off for about 3 hours to come back to it.

This person went into the last room and stole the cargo needed to complete the mission and put it in contracts for 20m. Out of principle i quit the mission and took a small standing loss rather then buy it back.

Is there a way to get around this kind of thing? Does the cargo respawn after downtime?


I'd allowed gameplay. But yeah, just wait until after d/t and do it again.


I believe it is possible to petition it under the "mission in progress" category and GM might reset the mission for you. Ofc take it with a grain of salt, I have not done so myself so it is not based on my personal experience.

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DeAira Skord
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-08-23 00:46:55 UTC
IIshira wrote:


Lying in a petition and risk whatever CCP would do doesn't seem worth it to complete a mission...



Is it against the EULA? I thought lying was an acceptable part of the gameplay.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#39 - 2014-08-23 01:04:22 UTC
Armor Uta wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Armor Uta wrote:
Had a lootter warp into my worlds collide mission in a Gila so I just scooped my MTU and took as much loot as i could hold. I logged off for about 3 hours to come back to it.

This person went into the last room and stole the cargo needed to complete the mission and put it in contracts for 20m. Out of principle i quit the mission and took a small standing loss rather then buy it back.

Is there a way to get around this kind of thing? Does the cargo respawn after downtime?


I'd allowed gameplay. But yeah, just wait until after d/t and do it again.

i dont mind them stealing loot and salvaging. Even blowing up my MTU every now and then.

But stealing the mission loot and putting in contracts is a pain in the ass


I'd call it a creative use of an opportunity for iskies.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-08-23 01:08:37 UTC
DeAira Skord wrote:
IIshira wrote:


Lying in a petition and risk whatever CCP would do doesn't seem worth it to complete a mission...


Is it against the EULA? I thought lying was an acceptable part of the gameplay.


I'm not sure if lying in a petition is against the EULA but I'm sure it wouldn't make CCP happy. I'm sure lying is a perfectly acceptable part of gameplay but I don't think the petitions are part of gameplay.
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