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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#41 - 2014-08-19 16:47:36 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
True enough, Jace. If I thought militia service was worth a damn, I'd be involved myself.


This sentiment is an illustration of what my initial post was meant to address. It seems to me that the Caldari Militia has very few Caldari patriots among its ranks these days. For years they have been buoyed by Nullsec opportunists, Mercs, and profiteers. They welcomed this influx and exploited it, now their strength has rotted away.

Unfortunately the FDU is now rife with these same scum. We will need to be vigilant not to share the same fate as the Caldari.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#42 - 2014-08-19 17:01:55 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:


When the Caldari offer peace, when they recind their threat of devastation against Gallente homes, I will welcome that day. Until then, the State will pay the price for their tyranny in blood.

Excerpt: Personal Log; Rinai Vero


I don't go around calling for the destruction of the State or the Caldari people. I don't call Caldari culture evil and corrupting.




Within the same breath contradictions abound. This must be some of that legendary Gallentean double-speak I hear so much about.


I see you're quoting that same log again. Were you afraid people didn't read it the first time?

Honestly I'm amazed to witness so much attention on the thing. I wrote it several years ago before the Battle of Caldari Prime. Perhaps some of the references are better suited to that context than they are to the present day. I'm sure I can find something equally as titillating to your sense of outrage in my recent logs.
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#43 - 2014-08-19 17:05:53 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Talas Dir wrote:
Lady, I'll do whatever you want me to do if you give me copious amounts of Mindflood.


I think Mindflood is illegal in the State.

I however can help you in regard to our... distribution channels. Drop me a mail, dear.


Hi there, Pilot Dir!

Oh dammit, Leo got there first Sad

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#44 - 2014-08-19 17:12:20 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:


Honestly I'm amazed to witness so much attention on the thing. I wrote it several years ago before the Battle of Caldari Prime. Perhaps some of the references are better suited to that context than they are to the present day. I'm sure I can find something equally as titillating to your sense of outrage in my recent logs.



And the backpedaling begins. If you'd rather not have something used, or in this case as you claim taken out of context, perhaps refrain from making it easily accessible public knowledge .

Otherwise at least have to courage and fortitude to stand behind what you said then in the present.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#45 - 2014-08-19 17:29:30 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

Dear Diary,

Today I was a warmonger and my brother was boring. Then I was kidnapped by Dragonaurs never to be heard from again. It was the best day ever.

Excerpt, Personal Log: Rinai Vero
Jace Sarice
#46 - 2014-08-19 17:31:41 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:


This sentiment is an illustration of what my initial post was meant to address. It seems to me that the Caldari Militia has very few Caldari patriots among its ranks these days. For years they have been buoyed by Nullsec opportunists, Mercs, and profiteers. They welcomed this influx and exploited it, now their strength has rotted away.

Unfortunately the FDU is now rife with these same scum. We will need to be vigilant not to share the same fate as the Caldari.


Both militias have always been primarily populated by mercenaries and profiteers. That is their primary function and always has been.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-08-19 17:43:07 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
A rousing call to arms for a cause as rotted as the corpse of the man who launched this war of Caldari aggression. The State built its strength on the mercenary motives of its worst profiteers and its basest charlatans. That, and the intervention of one defeated Nullsec powerbloc after another seeking to lick their wounds and thinking the Gallente to be easy prey.

Now, we see those same nullsec vultures abandoning the pitiful remnants of the State Protectorate, and joining our ranks with turned cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabilizers. Pathetic, really.

I see gallenteans still can't respect neither other cultures, nor other heroes, just because they were fighting for their people, who were oppressed by gallenteans.
And neither gallenteans respect facts, forgetting that Caldari attacked them because of outrageous gallentean racism towards Caldari population on Caldari prime and unability (or lack of desire?) of Gallentean police force to protect Caldari peoples.

A lecture on cultural respect from someone who's very reason for being is the complete destruction of another culture.... Funny world we live in....

I have told you SEVERAL times already, that I don't WANT to destroy gallentean culture, but only to quarantine it from infecting healthy cultures, but nooo~
What enters one your ear leaves immediately from another, without leaving anything in your stiff soaked with gallentean propaganda brain.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-08-19 17:51:53 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:

As I have said before, this proxy war is meaningless. Capsuleers are only fighting over border worlds and even if they take them all, aren't allowed to push the front, and they aren't really assisting the navies since they aren't in a state of open hostilities.


This has, more or less, also become my view. In order to actively participate with any meaning, a capsuleer must either use it simply as a day job, be bored out of their minds, or fueled by enough vapid hate that they can be convinced they are still fighting for something greater than themselves. If a genuine war were to erupt, daily patriots on both sides would pause their entire lives and come rushing out to defend their own. Until then, it is just another day job for those that enjoy it.

Those worlds, that are in warzone, are Caldari worlds. There live, or lived Caldari people and Caldari families have their home.
In the State, we all are kirjuun, and we fight for each other, and help each other. If the calamity comes to home of one Caldari, others will help. We fight for the good of the many. And this is Caldari way.

Those, who believe that this is just "proxy" war, and that these worlds are "not important", they are not Caldari, they are jaijii, whose homes, hearts and souls are far away from Caldari domain.

Caldari will keep fighting, until the last remnants of gallentean occupants will be gone completely from all the worlds of Caldari people.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-08-19 17:54:32 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I've never been part of the militia and yet I feel rather deeply connected to the State. I've set up manufacturing lines, laboratories, hauled staggering amounts of materials and finished products through-out the State and outside of it. I've reached my hand into the waterfall of ISK and taken my share, commensurate with my efforts and investment.

In other words, doing whatever you wanted, while insulting Caldari heroes and stopping supplying the war effort of whole Caldari nation.
You wasn't just part of militia.
You wasn't part of the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#50 - 2014-08-19 17:55:35 UTC
Funny how the last Wazone systems most tenaciously held by Caldari Militia are places like Ladistier.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-08-19 17:58:00 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
You clearly don't know me. Hell, ask just about any of the other Caldari who frequent the IGS.


Either you don't understand me, or you're lying to save face.

Allow me to refresh your memory.

Quote:
I do not hate the Caldari. To hate is an irrational act that puts one on a path that ends in the destruction of one's self with far more certainty than the destruction of the object of one's hatred. So I do not fight to see the destruction of the Caldari State, or its People. I fight in defense of the Federation. I fight in the name of its Citizens who face the threat of annihilation with every waking day.

When the Caldari offer peace, when they recind their threat of devastation against Gallente homes, I will welcome that day. Until then, the State will pay the price for their tyranny in blood.

Excerpt: Personal Log; Rinai Vero


Perhaps you should keep such vitriol off your public profile if you're going to protest claims of warmongering nationalism, hmmm?


I'm supposed to be what? Ashamed that I have said publicly and repeatedly that when the Caldari offer peace I will meet them in friendship? Until then I meet them in space.

JAIJII GO HOME and take your filthy democracy with you. Sit there tight, not trying to take our worlds and don't tell us what to do in our worlds. Only then we will offer you peace.

While at least one gallentean occupant will reside on Caldari soil, gallenteans will keep dying.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#52 - 2014-08-19 18:07:15 UTC
Actually, I grew up on Caldari Prime. How do you feel about that? Still want me to go Home?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#53 - 2014-08-19 18:16:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
A rousing call to arms for a cause as rotted as the corpse of the man who launched this war of Caldari aggression. The State built its strength on the mercenary motives of its worst profiteers and its basest charlatans. That, and the intervention of one defeated Nullsec powerbloc after another seeking to lick their wounds and thinking the Gallente to be easy prey.

Now, we see those same nullsec vultures abandoning the pitiful remnants of the State Protectorate, and joining our ranks with turned cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabilizers. Pathetic, really.

I see gallenteans still can't respect neither other cultures, nor other heroes, just because they were fighting for their people, who were oppressed by gallenteans.
And neither gallenteans respect facts, forgetting that Caldari attacked them because of outrageous gallentean racism towards Caldari population on Caldari prime and unability (or lack of desire?) of Gallentean police force to protect Caldari peoples.

A lecture on cultural respect from someone who's very reason for being is the complete destruction of another culture.... Funny world we live in....

I have told you SEVERAL times already, that I don't WANT to destroy gallentean culture, but only to quarantine it from infecting healthy cultures, but nooo~
What enters one your ear leaves immediately from another, without leaving anything in your stiff soaked with gallentean propaganda brain.

So, the Federation must not be destroyed?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Anslo
Scope Works
#54 - 2014-08-19 18:27:40 UTC
So how'd that CTA go to defend Asakai?

Oh, wait.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2014-08-19 18:43:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
You clearly don't know me. Hell, ask just about any of the other Caldari who frequent the IGS.


Either you don't understand me, or you're lying to save face.

Allow me to refresh your memory.

Quote:
I do not hate the Caldari. To hate is an irrational act that puts one on a path that ends in the destruction of one's self with far more certainty than the destruction of the object of one's hatred. So I do not fight to see the destruction of the Caldari State, or its People. I fight in defense of the Federation. I fight in the name of its Citizens who face the threat of annihilation with every waking day.

When the Caldari offer peace, when they recind their threat of devastation against Gallente homes, I will welcome that day. Until then, the State will pay the price for their tyranny in blood.

Excerpt: Personal Log; Rinai Vero


Perhaps you should keep such vitriol off your public profile if you're going to protest claims of warmongering nationalism, hmmm?


I'm supposed to be what? Ashamed that I have said publicly and repeatedly that when the Caldari offer peace I will meet them in friendship? Until then I meet them in space.

JAIJII GO HOME and take your filthy democracy with you. Sit there tight, not trying to take our worlds and don't tell us what to do in our worlds. Only then we will offer you peace.

While at least one gallentean occupant will reside on Caldari soil, gallenteans will keep dying.

and as long as you keep killing Gallente citizens, the Federation will keep responding aggressively. There's a pattern here somewhere, see if you can find it.

Bonus round: give a reasonable approach to solving this problem. ( destroying the Federation is not reasonable. You simply don't have the manpower or military might to do it.)

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-08-19 18:43:41 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
A rousing call to arms for a cause as rotted as the corpse of the man who launched this war of Caldari aggression. The State built its strength on the mercenary motives of its worst profiteers and its basest charlatans. That, and the intervention of one defeated Nullsec powerbloc after another seeking to lick their wounds and thinking the Gallente to be easy prey.

Now, we see those same nullsec vultures abandoning the pitiful remnants of the State Protectorate, and joining our ranks with turned cloaks and a rack full of warp core stabilizers. Pathetic, really.

I see gallenteans still can't respect neither other cultures, nor other heroes, just because they were fighting for their people, who were oppressed by gallenteans.
And neither gallenteans respect facts, forgetting that Caldari attacked them because of outrageous gallentean racism towards Caldari population on Caldari prime and unability (or lack of desire?) of Gallentean police force to protect Caldari peoples.

A lecture on cultural respect from someone who's very reason for being is the complete destruction of another culture.... Funny world we live in....

I have told you SEVERAL times already, that I don't WANT to destroy gallentean culture, but only to quarantine it from infecting healthy cultures, but nooo~
What enters one your ear leaves immediately from another, without leaving anything in your stiff soaked with gallentean propaganda brain.

So, the Federation must not be destroyed?

Federation must be destroyed. But the Federation is an agressive ppower-hungry dehumanising fascist political entity, that has committed lots of military crimes.
Gallentean culture is... well, it is a way how gallentean live their lives. It may actually lack culture, and it is instead soaked with individualism, hedonism, lechery and indecency, but it is their lives. What they do on their worlds is neither my, nor other Caldari business.

Of course, until they start bringing their crap to our doors. And if you want to try to do this too, prepare your nose for meeting with Caldari jackboot!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-08-19 18:47:03 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

and as long as you keep killing Gallente citizens, the Federation will keep responding aggressively. There's a pattern here somewhere, see if you can find it.

Bonus round: give a reasonable approach to solving this problem. ( destroying the Federation is not reasonable. You simply don't have the manpower or military might to do it.)

They ARE acting aggressively, occupying Caldari worlds.
So, we are dealing with this problem as Caldari: killing damn occupants, until there will be no one left to occupy, or Federation will finally understand that it was a bad choice to touch us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Aden Ordinii
Mars-Alpha Works
#58 - 2014-08-19 18:48:55 UTC
my sweet diana kim...you and I should make a 24h love ride in a 0-G Chamber...it would get some tension out of you...We Gallenteans dident forget Tibus Heth`s iligal attack on gallentean space. And the liberation of oure homesystem from your occupation forces. We allways give you a hand in friendship, but you Caldarians spit on it. Your race is so pafetic. instead of pooring trillions of isk towards battleship productions, spend that amount on good housing and some freedom and liberty.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-08-19 18:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
I'd better make you "make love" to my condor's afterburner nozzle in an 0-G environment, when I will turn it on full throttle.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#60 - 2014-08-19 18:58:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I've never been part of the militia and yet I feel rather deeply connected to the State. I've set up manufacturing lines, laboratories, hauled staggering amounts of materials and finished products through-out the State and outside of it. I've reached my hand into the waterfall of ISK and taken my share, commensurate with my efforts and investment.

In other words, doing whatever you wanted, while insulting Caldari heroes and stopping supplying the war effort of whole Caldari nation.
You wasn't just part of militia.
You wasn't part of the State.


"Stopping supplying"? Sweetie, the sheer amount of ships and ammunition I've delivered to the warzone and STPRO staging areas in particular is rather likely to be far in excess of the amount of ships you've destroyed. When not delivering there, I've delivered to the biggest market the State has to offer, Jita. (Where, by the way, I pay significant amounts in tax.)

I think SuuVee (who got me into the pod in the first place) considers my capsuleer career to be a rather sound investment.

Reminds me, I should expand my portfolio. Perhaps half and half SuuVee and minor endeavors.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.