Warfare & Tactics

No need to get snarky and vulgar, geez. You advertise on here that you are a miner and that you dislike Code, what did you think was going to happen?

Killrights on -10.0 characters aren't really all that useful considering that anyone can already shoot them on sight anywhere without CONCORD/NPC intervention.

*sigh*
As mentioned many times, gank the people with permits using THIS fit:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57336-Catalyst-700-DPS-Suicide-Gank.html

Ions don't lose much DPS at all and make the fittings a lot easier if you don't have Weapon Upgrades V on your ganking alt or really need to bring a scram + ECCM or something (or you need grid for an Afterburner for some reason). In an ideal world Neutrons are the best choice but sometimes you just gotta gank with what you have.

I run my gank catalysts with Neutrons, ECCM, and a Sensor Booster. ECCM is for faction police more than other players, the sebo is for podding, and I don't bother with a scram because miners almost never warp out in time and it would mean giving up something else. If I was ganking in a group I would probably mix one in, but I struggle to imagine what you would need a web on a Catalyst for. If you worried about things breaking out of your 2km killzone, bring a Thrasher instead.

I used to fly Gank Thoraxes and Taranises solo in losec. Against similar-sized/smaller targets, Ions and Neutrons did fairly similar DPS due to the superior tracking on Ions. But against targets bigger than you, neutrons were definitely worth the pain of fitting them.

Neither had an engagement range worth squat though, which is why, in the face of the current kiting meta, I fly rails now. (Or rather, I will once I get time to....)


EDIT: Re webs: for Catalysts ganking miners/haulers, webs don't really do much since your targets are already so slow. At best, if you're ganking in a group, have one Cat fit a web to absolutely minimize your target's transversal. Against anything else though, webs would be invaluable. As always, know your target and fit accordingly.

Has it been proven possible to prevent a gank by CODE. in the first place (specifically the gate ganks like Aufay)? Or is this more about getting in on killmails the easy way?

And with that, the thread failed.

Wow.

Ok that actually does make sense, I guess if you're trying to kill catalysts with other catalysts being able to prevent transversal. The ions for that particular situation would actually make sense, though I'm not sure having both Ions and webs would stack enough to make both the best in that situation. Then again, I typically do not shoot catalysts, so I'm not sure.

I have seen a coordinated CODE. gank on a jump freighter fail (initially) on a gate in Aufay in the presence of about a dozen or so "White Knights". The defenders seemed to be equal parts ECM, DPS, and logi. While the initial gank failed (JF at ~half structure), the bumpers kept the JF out of alignment and on the second attempt 15-ish minutes later, it did go down in spite of the friendly support. (I was there bounty hunting in a rail Catalyst and cavorting with CODE. on voice comms.)

From my understanding of game mechanics, the best defense against a suicide gank in progress of a sufficiently large target (Freighter, Orca, etc.) isn't DPS or EWar, it's remote reps. It counteracts the damage being applied immediately, it benefits from the target's resists instead of being penalized by them, and can be applied sooner because not only are their targets much larger (and easier to lock), friendly logis can hav their target locked and remote reps running before the gankers even land on-grid. This assumes that the gankers even bother in the face of strong logistic support.

Of course, if the ganker is alpha-striking smaller targets, well then, their targets are pretty well hosed. Much love for Arty Thrashers.

Anyone even remotely familiar with the current RR meta has likely figured this out on their own. A handful of AB-fit T1 logi cruisers orbiting their target at near max range and high speed would make it considerably harder to kill while remaining relatively safe themselves (high speed, not grouped together, etc.). I'm amazed that so-called "White Knights" use anything but Logis. For all of their talk, they're just whoring on killmails or collecting bounties. They're not really "White Knights" at all, they're just people who want to shoot at people who can't shoot back in order to profit from it.

Sound familiar?

This is all overlooking the fact that be best overall defense against a suicide gank is not being a target in the first place. Don't autopilot, don't overload your ship, don't be AFK, etc.

I know that this runs contrary to my earlier posts about needing to become the gankers in order to beat them. What can I say, I withheld my realization in the interest of content creation. I'm certainly not the first, nor will I be the last. Sue me.

In order to beat the gankers you just need to stop giving a rat's arse about killmails....



Apologies in advance if I'm offending any of my minerbumpering buds by posting this. This stuff is all just common knowledge applied to the situation at hand, so I am stunned that nobody has posted it sooner. Hopefully, if nothing else, it gives you folks some more interesting ganks....