Science & Industry

I do all four. Mining drops the cost quite a bit, but more often than not, someone is refining ore better than me(sell ore, buy metal). Inventions are big, I'd definitely consider researching your own stuff, keep in mind it's not guaranteed and failing can get expensive. Markets are markets, sometimes selling T1 can earn you all the money in the world, sometimes there's a T2 item in desperate demand. You need to do the research to see what items are in the now. Keep collecting BPO's and sniping BPC's for true industrial domination.

Just know AFK mining can easily get you ganked.

Thanks for the good and constructive replies, I'll fiffle arround and see what i find most fun and profitable.

I would like to do a mix of all things since it seems more reasonable.

And yea you can use your T1 things you make for invention, didnt think about that actually. Thanks :)

The T1 market is pretty good. Start there. T2 is more complicated in terms of mechanics and the effect of T2 BPOs.

Making money at manufacturing will require more minerals than you can mine, but mining gives you something to actively do while your builds and copies are running. You'll build while you do something else, whether PvP or PvE or mining. If mining is what you want to do, go ahead. But you can make money manufacturing without it. You'll probably be using all your science slots researching or copying at the beginning, but once your BPO collection is researched you may have some slots left over, and sure, invention is a good way to get started on T2. Do some invention and sell copies to begin with, and learn the margins and ISK/hr on the various T2 items you are inventing, and when you see something that's good, go ahead and build the T2. Margins on T2 are often no better and sometimes worse than T1, though, so don't think of it in terms of a move to the big leagues when you do T2. It's just something different. You can sometimes increase margins above T1 stuff by building the construction components required. Also when getting into T2 you'll notice that PI becomes important (and it's important for a few T1 items as well) so you'll want to train that up. When you get into PI and building the construction components required for T2 the margins can become quite good for a number of products. Still, the T2 BPO owners have an advantage, although considerably less than before Crius, and T2 should become better over time. However, the market is fluctuating wildly at the moment as people are selling and buying with stocks made before Crius.

So basically I would just start with T1 do some invention and train up PI skills and learn that and get a collection of Construction Component BPOs and research them and by that time you should be ready to get into T2. And sure, mine while you build if mining is what you like to do in Eve.

if you can get the ore at a reduced rate, do so. (then check if you can make more selling it, then buying minerals. not as crazy as it sounds right now)

It's not a manufacturing profit, but it is a trade profit. And profits are the name of the game. (well, for Industry and trade)

Just don't subsidise a manufacturing profit, with a trade profit.

Depends what you're moving, really.

I like having one, but it's a big investment.

Well yea its 1.4 bill but my main has enough isk tbh

Yea i thought about Red frog, idk :) for a corp, its good to have a freihgter as an asset aswell.

Having a freighter is a requirement for moving large amounts of materials/goods around. Do not forget the first rule; don't fly anything you can't afford to loose. For starting up you can still move a lot of materials around in indy or contract the jumps.

DSTs are great for smaller movements. They're more vulnerable, but for shorter periods of time. (and a MJD helps there, too. No 'bump for minutes')

MWD Orca for 10 second align times FTW. Still hauls almost 100k and 200k+ EHP with just Bulkhead +DCII.

I love the DSTs on account of the warp core strength and usually fit 2-3 warp core stabilizers giving me a strength of 4-5. The overheating bonuses preclude the need for too much tank. I use them for moving goods from my highsec drop off point to my lowsec pickup point 1-jump over. If you vary your lowsec pickup point every so often your chance of running into a camp prepared to take you out are practically nil. As a result, the JF never goes into highsec and makes me being the subject of an ALOD also a nil possibility. So tanking the freighter gives it roughly the same capacity as the JF and the Rorq, for 1 freighter trip per JF trip, and 6 DST trips of 1-jump only to make the transfer.

Otherwise the DSTs are good for running around in blue null to pick up the odd items available on the null market. The MJD takes care of the tiny dicter gangs that pop out of wormhole space in remote null for fun.

DSTs are NOT BRs and they are NOT prepared to deal with any camp specifically comped to take them out. But in my experience very few groups prepare for them and outside of major camp centers they are extremely useful.