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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#321 - 2014-08-19 16:38:40 UTC
100k USD isn't going to buy you a datacenter bro

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#322 - 2014-08-19 16:39:18 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.


Then maybe work on getting that information released instead? Time is pretty damn critical here and wasn't that part of why the CSM even exists? To help get information to and from CCP?


I understand that there is a lot of transactions and so on to go through, but at the same time you (dev/cpp/csm, whomever) shouldn't need to go over them all to figure out if this was ok or not. Either it's ok or not, then you can find the affected parties.
CCP Falcon
#323 - 2014-08-19 16:39:41 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.



Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.

Great isn't it ☺


You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.

I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2014-08-19 16:39:50 UTC
ISquishWorms wrote:
It seems to me that the rules are not being applied equally.


Keep the pitchforks at bay until CCP has said their final word on this...
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#325 - 2014-08-19 16:39:55 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
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Anyway, my original point was simply that CCP doesn't want the overhead of running an online casino - which could be a complicated business to run for various reasons. But that doesn't stop a third party running an online casino, as long as they're happy to cover all the legalities required.
Prince Kobol
#326 - 2014-08-19 16:40:54 UTC
Ace Boogi wrote:


Somer is evil, Somer is Hitler, Somer us the most evil person in the world and eats babies blah blah blah



Yeah... no witch hunt here
Sorao Soreen
Profit to burn
#327 - 2014-08-19 16:41:47 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
ISquishWorms wrote:
It seems to me that the rules are not being applied equally.


Keep the pitchforks at bay until CCP has said their final word on this...


cant do that mine is our oiled and ready
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2014-08-19 16:41:52 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.


They play EVE. They are used to alarmclock ops at odd hours and short notice... Big smile

The only thing missing is the FC that will chew on you if you miss an op / a meeting Blink
Green Gambit
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#329 - 2014-08-19 16:45:01 UTC
Andski wrote:
100k USD isn't going to buy you a datacenter bro


You don't need a datacentre, even if it needs 4 dedicated servers (and that would be pushing it in my opinion) 100k is enough to run the site for 20 years...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#330 - 2014-08-19 16:46:34 UTC
I was responding to this:

Ace Boogi wrote:
The wording on blink last time and this time around is hilarious, he makes it sound like the affiliate money is only to help pay for server costs, implying that he actually uses his own money maintaining the site and that the ETC sales only help out a bit. However, how I remember it someone calculated he had made over 100K USD off this as of the last scandal in 2013, and that was a very conservative figure. I also recall mention of business locations, data centers, etc., being purchased - someone on the forums here had done research into the real-life Somer, including looking at public records, and while I cannot verify the veracity of those claims, they were pretty damning if indeed true.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#331 - 2014-08-19 16:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Prince Kobol wrote:
Ace Boogi wrote:


Somer is evil, Somer is ******, Somer us the most evil person in the world and eats babies blah blah blah



Yeah... no witch hunt here

A witch hunt implies we're operating in a mob mentality, fueled by emotion alone, looking for a criminal when no crime was committed.

I don't think this is a witch hunt. Somer got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, yet again.

I'm simply pointing out what kind of person I've found him to be... and it isn't the altruistic and friendly service provider. Maybe for the people in his echo chamber, sure, as long as they keep supplying him with income. Otherwise, you're more or less useless.
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#332 - 2014-08-19 16:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sketchy Bob
CCP Falcon wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.



Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.

Great isn't it ☺


You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.

I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?

And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.

Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#333 - 2014-08-19 16:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Boogi
Andski wrote:
I was responding to this:

Ace Boogi wrote:
The wording on blink last time and this time around is hilarious, he makes it sound like the affiliate money is only to help pay for server costs, implying that he actually uses his own money maintaining the site and that the ETC sales only help out a bit. However, how I remember it someone calculated he had made over 100K USD off this as of the last scandal in 2013, and that was a very conservative figure. I also recall mention of business locations, data centers, etc., being purchased - someone on the forums here had done research into the real-life Somer, including looking at public records, and while I cannot verify the veracity of those claims, they were pretty damning if indeed true.


Well, the figures I remember from last year were actually in the $200k+ USD range, but I went with saying $100k as I saw that figure earlier today and couldn't be arsed to go back and look for the initial claims which are buried deep in the threads from last year if not deleted. Either way, they cannot be verified and don't matter for much, it's just food for thought for those who want to say things like 'the affiliate money goes to help offset server costs'.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#334 - 2014-08-19 16:49:50 UTC
they're limited in the information they can release right now

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#335 - 2014-08-19 16:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
I personally love how a CCP VP thinks that it is good practice to give permission for this via email to someone at a 'somer@cogdev.net' email address. I can only assume that CCP has a name and mailing address for the out of game entity on record (especially since they trusted them with cash value prizes last year).

As I pointed out last year, Somer doesn't do business except as his in game identity and this raises the whole operation into question. His website, unlike for instance Chribba's, is registered to an anonymous entity, and there are no contacts outside of the in game infrastructure. In other words - they are a purely in game entity and folks at CCP should not be giving them special permission to do anything - it's just plain bad business.

I do thank Falcon for a quick response this time - but there seems to be an endemic problem regarding what is and what is not appropriate interactions with what are basically in game entities. CCP's ability to remain unbiased adjudicators of their game is called into question when things like this happen.

And frankly, the fact that it stinks of Markee Dragon, yet again? I am not sure why they are allowed to continue to sell ETC's. How many attempts at supporting RMT does it take?


P.S. Personally, the little wink in the approval mail is my favorite part.
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#336 - 2014-08-19 16:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
Sketchy Bob wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Sketchy Bob wrote:
Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?

How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread?



Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.



Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.

Great isn't it ☺


You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice.

I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented.

If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.


Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?

And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.

Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.



Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
#337 - 2014-08-19 16:58:37 UTC
Lauresh Thellere, we can make a new thread where we thank them for their time.
But this thread is to address the "Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink". :)
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#338 - 2014-08-19 17:02:11 UTC
Lauresh Thellere wrote:

Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.


I will never support being a complete jerk to anyone - but the people who are working their asses off are only doing it because they didn't take appropriate action a year ago. So while they have my respect for their current work, you have to pardon some of us if we aren't exactly sympathetic.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#339 - 2014-08-19 17:02:43 UTC
Sketchy Bob wrote:


Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?

And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.

Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.


I'm not going to use a lot of flowery words to respond to this. I will say only this:

If you truly believe that Falcon isn't doing his best to represent us, then unsub and GTFO. You're being a jackass for no reason and attacking someone who is bending over backwards to try and get this sorted out. Stop being a douche canoe.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2014-08-19 17:02:57 UTC
loving falcon's realtalk

there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion

it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.

ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great