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Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2014-08-19 15:23:01 UTC
Definitely will be joining the boycott by doing something I absolutely detest... That's really going to show them.

Or maybe not. As stated by some others, these changes might not be what we've asked, but they will be shaking things up and making things interesting again. Will it be better or worse in the big picture? Who knows, but it sure wont be safe, nor does it need to be.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2014-08-19 15:25:16 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Definitely will be joining the boycott by doing something I absolutely detest... That's really going to show them.

Or maybe not. As stated by some others, these changes might not be what we've asked, but they will be shaking things up and making things interesting again. Will it be better or worse in the big picture? Who knows, but it sure wont be safe, nor does it need to be.



I miss you. My first Trialist.

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#143 - 2014-08-19 15:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Smarty MacGyver wrote:
26th of August
Hyperion Patchnotes right at the end:

- Strategic cruisers are now unable to enter any Incursion related sites (The Fozzie sends his regards)

Would they be allowed to come into tournament sites?TwistedRoll


UninvitedTwisted

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Bleedingthrough
#144 - 2014-08-19 15:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bleedingthrough
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Never been in a WH, can someone explain what the "rolling away" part means and how these changes will be bad? Just looking for some context so I can follow the thread better.
Thanks!


"The Game of Mass"
WHlers use the total mass limits of WHs to control the battlefield. In essence: if you win the game of mass you can fight groups that are much stronger than you.

"Roll Away"
You put enough mass through a wandering WH or K162 to close it. It is then gone.

"Roll the Static"
A method to force a new static into existence by putting enough mass through it so it collapses. A new static will spawn then. This serves various purposes:
- find targets that are active
- get a connection to a sieged WH you want to assist
- seed dreads into a specific WH
- find a logistic rout to HS.
- find ratting carriers (if you got a null static)...
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2014-08-19 15:29:14 UTC
Game of Mass

Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#146 - 2014-08-19 15:31:46 UTC
Koh Eriker wrote:
All the nullsec nerdrage in here is amusing. I like how they turn into the epitome of irony. Safe isk? Ok..

1. All gates in k-space should have polarization timers.
2. All cyno's and jump bridges should act depending on mass.
3. 85+% of the ships in null sites should warp scramble and heavy neut.
4. Remove local.

You know.. 'to shake things up' cuz that's why changes should occur. Or wait, you'd all probably twitch, spasm and ragequit if those changes happened.

Whilst that would be completely fair then there would be two areas of space completely bolloxed.

Can they please take the manager who is thinking of these great new Psssssh ideas and lightly gift wrap him and drop him in the nearest post box? Do not bother including the return address.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2014-08-19 15:32:46 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Definitely will be joining the boycott by doing something I absolutely detest... That's really going to show them.

Or maybe not. As stated by some others, these changes might not be what we've asked, but they will be shaking things up and making things interesting again. Will it be better or worse in the big picture? Who knows, but it sure wont be safe, nor does it need to be.



I miss you. My first Trialist.


I kinda miss the early days of being in SSC too, the bullshit free time of just going out there and wasting those proteuses of mine, and a bunch of opponents in the process. No nonsense of political crap or egos getting in the way of having fun.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#148 - 2014-08-19 15:34:13 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Paikis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Hell, let's really screw this up and just put ERRYONE like 15 km away from stargates!


OR, we could really screw things up and have your spawn distance from gates and cynos based on mass too!

Of course this would inconvenience the nullsec overlords and so it wont happen, but hey, if the stated intention of the mass changes is to shake things up, then by that same logic, this change should go in also.


Welcome to 100 trolls ago.


Trolls? I'm super serial!

No really, I think this change would shake things up, and give CCP another opportunity to show their stoicism in the face of near total, universal discontent with their proposed changes!


You are confusing the terms, "shake things up" and "frog in a liquidiser"

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#149 - 2014-08-19 15:38:54 UTC
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you Keith for doing something useful

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#150 - 2014-08-19 15:39:40 UTC
Borsek wrote:
Tiberizzle wrote:
CCP DONT U DARE MAKE UZ LEARN HW 2 ACTUALLY HUNT TARGITS ITS NOT FAIR 2 HAV REAL EFFORT AND RISK??

I SWEAR 2 GOD WE WIL GO KIL HISEC NPCS IF U DO THEN UR RLY GONNA BE FUQT LOL I DONT THINK UR RDY 2 DEAL WIT WUT WE CN DO !!!

"WOW DIZ IS 2 LAME NO MORE FRE KILZ" - ME WSPACE CORPIES LOL F U CCPEE


What's your current J-sig?


Too many numbers after the J so he never got home, he just had to live in nullsec where someone could keep an eye on him to make sure he didn't wander off.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2014-08-19 16:16:31 UTC
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Never been in a WH, can someone explain what the "rolling away" part means and how these changes will be bad? Just looking for some context so I can follow the thread better.
Thanks!


"The Game of Mass"
WHlers use the total mass limits of WHs to control the battlefield. In essence: if you win the game of mass you can fight groups that are much stronger than you.

"Roll Away"
You put enough mass through a wandering WH or K162 to close it. It is then gone.

"Roll the Static"
A method to force a new static into existence by putting enough mass through it so it collapses. A new static will spawn then. This serves various purposes:
- find targets that are active
- get a connection to a sieged WH you want to assist
- seed dreads into a specific WH
- find a logistic rout to HS.
- find ratting carriers (if you got a null static)...


Thanks for the detailed reply, the proposed changes do look kinda crappy for you guys. Basically you could have dudes landing all over the place and swamp the defenders. What's to stop one of the big blocs just deciding to take advantage of these changes and roll over a bunch of WH's? Seems like the WH dudes are going to get screwed by these changes.
So if it takes blowing up incursion motherships and causing grief to the incursion folks to get attention, then plus 1 from me.
Erastara
Corsair Club
#152 - 2014-08-19 16:38:31 UTC
Is there a channel I can join to get in on the incursion popping?
Angrod Losshelin
modro
The Initiative.
#153 - 2014-08-19 16:48:21 UTC
{S.I.P.} Will pledge it's support to this worthy cause!

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#154 - 2014-08-19 17:23:21 UTC
I believe Lil Wayne said it best

Lil Wayne wrote:

Got the Maserati dancing on the bridge incursion poppin’
Tell the coppers… hahahaha you can’t catch ‘em, you can’t stop ‘em
I go by them goon rules if you can’t beat ‘em then you pop ‘em
You can’t man ‘em then you mop ‘em
You can’t stand ‘em then you drop ‘em
You pop ‘em cause we pop ‘em like Orville Redenbacher

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2014-08-19 17:47:08 UTC
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Bleedingthrough wrote:
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Never been in a WH, can someone explain what the "rolling away" part means and how these changes will be bad? Just looking for some context so I can follow the thread better.
Thanks!


"The Game of Mass"
WHlers use the total mass limits of WHs to control the battlefield. In essence: if you win the game of mass you can fight groups that are much stronger than you.

"Roll Away"
You put enough mass through a wandering WH or K162 to close it. It is then gone.

"Roll the Static"
A method to force a new static into existence by putting enough mass through it so it collapses. A new static will spawn then. This serves various purposes:
- find targets that are active
- get a connection to a sieged WH you want to assist
- seed dreads into a specific WH
- find a logistic rout to HS.
- find ratting carriers (if you got a null static)...


Thanks for the detailed reply, the proposed changes do look kinda crappy for you guys. Basically you could have dudes landing all over the place and swamp the defenders. What's to stop one of the big blocs just deciding to take advantage of these changes and roll over a bunch of WH's? Seems like the WH dudes are going to get screwed by these changes.
So if it takes blowing up incursion motherships and causing grief to the incursion folks to get attention, then plus 1 from me.

Again, it really comes down to holes taking forever to roll now, even with a decent fleet.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Official Diplomat
Forgotten Godz
#156 - 2014-08-19 18:06:19 UTC
Erastara wrote:
Is there a channel I can join to get in on the incursion popping?

I have taken the liberty of creating the "Official Hyperion Changes Boycott Channel" You may go there, formups and fleet comps to be added soon ™
Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
#157 - 2014-08-19 18:45:15 UTC
Ettig Grunar wrote:
Jassmin Joy wrote:
Get used to it because i really hope it sticks.

Pirate
Varesk wrote:
wow, this thread. sorta funny but yet sad. its funny to think that wormhole people can actually kill an incursion and sad that they just want to be able to close hostile holes quicker so they can make tons of ISK in peace.


UghPirate

nullies talking about wh-life Roll ... wuz next ? ShockedShocked

Jess Tanner wrote:
Agrippa Arkaral wrote:
Last time i heared about "The W-space Axis of United Wormhole Alliances and Corporations" you were going to invade nullsec

what happened to that


Same thing that happened to every other Chitsa Jason grand plan...
AttentionAttentionAttention

i am getting tired of reading so many assumptions. lets wait for the patch. all goods arguements can be found in that main thread



I don't see the relavance between my statement of how terrible Chitsa Jason is and your statement, thusly I will only reply with this randomly chosen gif, good day sir.

Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
Maduin Shi
MAGA Inc
#158 - 2014-08-19 18:47:39 UTC
I really doubt CCP would give a rat's a$$ (no pun intended) about an incursion griefing protest. A Jita sit-in might work though.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-08-19 18:51:05 UTC
My promotion was supposed to be kept under wraps. Straight

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rob Cobb
Probe Patrol
#160 - 2014-08-19 18:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Cobb
i love the people you listed as CEO's +1

oh, and can winthorpe tell us how many people actually mailed him with questions please? :)