EVE General Discussion

That really does make the entire 'endgame' look incredibly boring.

You know what I meant, you little minx.

Mr Epeen

Only one thing is needed.

One thing.

Even if SOV remains.

This one thing is the thing behind every human conflict, directly or indirectly.


Make all resources finite.

The worse things Is that 99 percent of the east/south is rental that's even more ridiculous

It isn't blue enough. I want Mittens, LadyScarlet and Shadoo to sign a True Best Friends Forever contract that swears eternal happiness and friendship between all parties at the next Fanfest. Followed by hugging it out. Put it on CCP's stream as well.

That way, you wouldn't have any violence at all because the bonds of friendship are stronger than any ~apex force~!

Oh, and make everything except Deklein renter space.

I tell what I think of Null: IT SUX AT THE MOMENT.

Why do you think I left NC.

Tried desperately find a new null sec alliance to seek some fun, to discover that after all NC. was still one of the best to stay. So that's where I am now... in high sec ,waiting for better days and a reason to return to null sec.

I think he is referring to the case that you find some moon mins, explore them and after a few days/months, the deposit ends. Pretty much what happens in all natural resources industrys.

In the game you could easily implement this mechanic based on a random factor, chance based and according with the moon types. The R64 Moons would have better depots and the lowest worst depots. But the depots them selves of mins would be chance based and randomly deployed thru the entire galaxy.

That would mean you could have a thulium depot in a Tribute Region system that would last for let's say 90 days of exploration and after that deposit was squeezed the same amount of thulium could be available in 2 other systems in 2 diferent regions with depots only reaching 45 days each because the moon quality. So the resources would not be finite they would be regenerated across the entire galaxy.

This would mean the current situation of conquer the moon, deploy the pos/PI stuff and wait for the isks would end. Since the resources in the deposit would be finite.

How could this be explained ? Easy, it's simply impossible to discover all the resources of a moon all in a sudden. The discovery of new mineral depots could be advertised across universe using the several NPC news corporations (Amarr Certified News for example) and all the capsuleers would know that in that day a New Thulium Depot estimated in xxxxx m3 of mins, that would last for at least 90 days of mining was found in the 15W-GC V - Moon 1 system, again a example.

Are you people imagining the fights you could gather the day someone said that in a low sec system a hole full of money was available for grabs ?

Find us a few (fifty or more) people willing and able to manage sov wars, and we'll get right on that. Piggle (thanks for that Endie) and others have summed it up pretty well. With the current state of things, taking sov and running bloc wars are 100% put upon the shoulders of one to five individuals per bloc. Yes, you have the line grunts, but without large quantities of high tier management and organization, there's no chance of anything getting accomplished. Unfortunately, those management positions are literally full-time jobs.

Under the occupancy sov systems suggested, taking sov would be easier in under utilized space, but insanely difficult in home systems. Of course the inverse would also be true: holding it in under utilized space would be impossible, versus home systems which would be significantly easier.

This is good news for all parties involved. Upper management requirements to maintain core systems would be reduced, line grunts in groups like Battlement (lol) can grab unused systems near blocs as staging areas (then go to Gevlon and say "look what we brought you") for potentially larger assaults, etc. In short, the whole idea would take much of the burden off of the top two to five individuals per alliance, and spread it through the membership. Any FC with a few friends could grab an unused system in short order, and once they start to dig in, it would become increasingly difficult to dislodge them.

As has been said, you want meaningful fights, get rid of the ******* flag planting that we have now. Make people work to keep what they have.

Unfortunately, we're all suffering from a shortage of Russians to punch these days. They're all staying holed up in NPC space, largely due to how sov works now. They now stand little chance at having a meaningful impact upon null, under the current "plant flag, afk" system.

I firmly believe that with occupancy sov, the Russians would become firmly entrenched in sov null again. God help all of the people who've ****** with them over the years if it comes to pass.

Something to consider is that the same Russians used the current SOV system to roll over the heavily entrenched Northern Coalition. I was there and fought on their side as a member of Raiden. And they did so in a situation where 'power projection' was way easier for sub caps because you could have to jump bridges in a single system (meaning sub caps could skip across the universe the same way caps did, without having to jump a single star gate, it got nerf right at the end of the NC/Russian war to the current '1 jb per system' scheme).

"occpancy sov" is one of those things that sounds good but that would be subject to (again) creative people being creative. I can think of 3 scenarios off the top of my head that could be used to make null sec even MORE stagant than it is right now under such a scheme.

It would be Dominion all over again. Dominion was supposed to 'open up null sec' by lowering the amount of EHP a group would have to kill to gain SOV. it was supposed to give groups "smaller scale objectives" that would 'open the door' to attacks by small groups (because attacking an IHUB is less of a grind that having to incap and then kill 30 or so POSes).


The system , like all such attempts to 'direct' player behavior, crashed on the rocks of Malcanis' law. The system that was supposed to take null away from being a 'stagnant blob fest' turned it into a WORSE stagnant blob fest. I'd bet 5 real dollars (REAL MONEY YO) that occupancy sov would do the same thing. I'm not trying to be debbie downer, just saying that we've seen this kind of thinking in this game before and it never works.

You can't herd people into conflict or danger (if you could, null sec incursions would be the most popular PVE/isk making content outside of wormholes), as i say in every sov discussion, people need to move away from the false "if you build it they will come' way of thinking, look at the past, what worked (and what didn't) and find those quirky game elements that will allow (but not try to force) enjoyable conflict.