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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2014-08-19 04:28:55 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
This Somer hate is going to (has) open a can of worms. I look forward to seeing how the 3rd party landscape looks when the dust settles.

Mr Epeen Cool

Typical of your fashion, you keep repeating things hoping they'll come true when everyone knows they won't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#102 - 2014-08-19 04:29:25 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I note how the 'E-mail permission' doesn't have the actual exact details of the permission in it, and how we have no evidence that even the proposal he published was the actual one in discussion in the E-mail.
Especially since the E-mails talk about a May proposal and it would be..... August.
Smoking gun?


Oh...you're good.

Tell me. Do you work at infowars.com in real life? Alex must love you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-08-19 04:31:27 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I note how the 'E-mail permission' doesn't have the actual exact details of the permission in it, and how we have no evidence that even the proposal he published was the actual one in discussion in the E-mail.
Especially since the E-mails talk about a May proposal and it would be..... August.
Smoking gun?

Well clearly Somer is palsy with Lisa "Enjoying the rain today? ;)" and kept that email in case anyone notices anything fishy about their current promotion which they did.

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Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#104 - 2014-08-19 04:35:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Andski wrote:
Quote:
Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.

[...]

1. 1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"

[...]

• Players who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe


if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words

Actually that first bolded part would seem to be a flat out lie.



Exactly. The bolded sentence is possibly why permission was given to run the scheme.

But the scheme that they are running is not the one mentioned in this email. They are providing extra isk when you resell the plex back to them.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#105 - 2014-08-19 04:39:13 UTC
Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.

Squeeze out those last dollars while you can.
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-08-19 04:42:12 UTC
S'Way wrote:
A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.

Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.



Exactly, so get rid of all the third party plex sellers, and get rid of all the ppl selling services for isk.
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2014-08-19 04:48:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
So all Somer has to do is:
1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words)
2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit
3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.

There you go, a legitemate newsite.



except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all

on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT


Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds.
TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#108 - 2014-08-19 04:50:18 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.

Squeeze out those last dollars while you can.


This could have been dealt with in about an hour today.
Hilmar, or some other delegate of CCP, types a statement in this thread stating that CCP has zero-tolerance for RMT, and any scheme to circumvent the EUALA and TOS will not be tolerated. THEN he can make the comment that CCP is dealing with their lawyers about this.

End of story. People would then know that they are coming down like an anvil on Somer-Blink. And if they did not hammer Somer, there will be zero ambiguity in the fact that CCP would then NOT consider this RMT and the floodgates are open for the cartels to do this, as well as anyone else with a ton of ISK, a web page and a affiliation with a plex seller.
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#109 - 2014-08-19 04:51:17 UTC
Ohkewl wrote:
S'Way wrote:
A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.

Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.

Exactly, so get rid of all the third party plex sellers, and get rid of all the ppl selling services for isk.

You dont need to do any of that, you just cant offer a "bonus" or in game incentive to buy plex from you vs. anyone else. They established that last year.

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-08-19 04:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
Xeleonn wrote:
Grainsalt wrote:
The only question that needs an immediate answer is, did CCP give SOMER permission to run this promo as SOMER advertised? I think we will find Jimmy Hoffa's body before we get an answer.


The blink GTC page has been updated with a link to text file of emails between Somer and CCP http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt Which seems to show that approval was given by at least someone at CCP.


Those are pretty damning... yet lacking in any detail. Of course if Somer was smart, he actually got that signed letter of understanding from CCP Legal as these emails alone are not enough.

If he actually has a signed letter from Legal which matches his scheme, the situation gets Really Really Complicated.

Still, wouldn't be the first time where Sales / Marketing of some company okays some hare-brained thing, runs it quickly by legal (who doesn't fully understand what is being asked) and off we go with something utterly stupid. Gets messy to unwind later.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#111 - 2014-08-19 04:57:59 UTC
Qalix wrote:
Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.

Squeeze out those last dollars while you can.

Last year was actually quite different.
There were two separate issues, or three really.
Firstly, there was Somer manipulating IWS prices, which were given out to about six different community groups, not just Somer. And was just a straight up market manipulation. Shady given it was a community reward, but no worse than anything the Goons have done with their Ice interdictions to give another market manipulation example.

Secondly there was the ships they were given to raffle out, poor choice by CCP, which people complained would devalue the Golden Magnate, so CCP changed them for a totally new ship.

Finally there was the 'RMT scandal'.... except there never was one. There was a change in CCP's policies on third party sellers, of which nearly all were using the same incentive scheme as Somer was. The reason Somer came up was because when the 'cease & desist' was issued as a policy change by CCP, the other schemes all changed asap, while Somer actually increased their scheme running right up until the cut off date with it.

So last year was not a question of actual RMT since the schemes till that time had CCP's approval for 'everyone' to use, not just Somer. Nor was it a question of contract fraud or anything of the sort.
This year there are those real questions.

So, very different case.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-08-19 05:09:38 UTC
Ohkewl wrote:
Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds.
TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either.

except for the articles that they don't pay ISK for (every article not related to EVE, articles written by writers who don't want ISK compensation or don't have EVE accounts)

they also don't buy just any article from anyone either because, well, they don't want crappy articles from illiterates

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2014-08-19 05:12:03 UTC
First Chribba's unusally sharp jab at CCP. Then Goons and Dinsdale in agreement in the same thread. The ****'s happenning in here?!
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2014-08-19 05:15:10 UTC
Really felt sick seeing this come up again not even a year after the first time. How I remember it, what Somer was doing was pretty heavy *redacted* and it was even more so obvious when they did their '1bil credit' cashout week. Seemed like that was a slap in CCP's face after essentially being slapped on the wrist for what would get other people banned (if you consider giving them free unique 1tril ISK ships to be a slap on the wrist) and now this... it's staggeringly disrespectful to both CCP and the Eve community as a whole. This time there shouldn't be second chances, slaps on the wrist, and consolation prizes... if found to be *redacted* they should be dealt with as any other player would.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#115 - 2014-08-19 05:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Ohkewl wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ohkewl wrote:
So all Somer has to do is:
1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words)
2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit
3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.

There you go, a legitemate newsite.



except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all

on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT


Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds.
TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either.


As a former writer for TMC, that's not how they behave/operate at all. They pay the contributor in ISK only for EVE "Universe" articles (EVE Online, DUST 514, EVE Valkyrie etc.) this policy also includes videos and streaming fleets/large fights. They don't just pay a writer for a non-EVE article with EVE's in-game money as that is against CCP's policy which was previously linked to you. Any coverage not pertaining to EVE is compensated in a different fashion and has no ISK or PLEX or GTC involved whatsoever. This could be, for example, using the site's role as a news outlet to obtain press pass keys for a game they intend to cover, which has been done, and so forth. That behavior has no bearing on their role in providing EVE coverage as that is a separate policy/rules of operation they are required to follow. As for "doesnt buy just any article from anyone either" that's due to, in TMC's case, quality control and preference for not having poorly written and grammatically incorrect pieces thrown out there.
John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2014-08-19 05:20:38 UTC
too big to fail










or get banned
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2014-08-19 05:36:48 UTC
I won't hold my breath; the last thread about SOMERBlink's obvious RMT actions spiraled out o control because CCP didn't take it seriously. We were told we'd be updated regularly, and weeks after we were told a statement was coming out the thread was unstickied and no one gave a damn.

Expecting another slap on the wrist for SOMER, because you never listen to us anyways.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2014-08-19 05:49:54 UTC
Also, funny ot see that the first five replies are CSM members, all with-in the span of thirteen minutes. We know whose whipped, no.

Keep suckin', kids. No teeth.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#119 - 2014-08-19 06:04:09 UTC
Oh my gawd... I don't know what to say about this OP. I simply lack of words that could describe how disappointed I am by this piece of PR sh!t.

And CSM, those bubbleheads nodding obediently and praising how well CCP reacted? Geez...

You talked all day and all you came up with is "investigation".
Because apparently "buy PLEX from me and I will buy it back at Jita price + x" is not clear enough.

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Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2014-08-19 06:07:21 UTC
Turns out that CCP DID authorize this: http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt (unless this is a blatant lie)

So now we're back to CCP allowing this to go on, but only for their special snowflakes.

Don't worry Somer, I'm sure you get some more limited edition ships, or other goodies outta this.

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.