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Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2014-08-19 03:30:16 UTC
Xeleonn wrote:
I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.

'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"'

they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying

its definitely intended to decieve
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2014-08-19 03:32:58 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

Apologies for the delay in putting out a notification, I’ve just arrived home from the office after a bit of a busy day talking to various departments to get a handle on how and what’s been going on with this situation.

This issue was first brought to the attention of the Community Team by the CSM around 24 hours ago after concern was raised by members of the community regarding the promotion that’s currently going on over at SOMERblink.

Myself and CCP Leeloo has been sat with various groups within CCP today and have been in constant contact with the CSM throughout the day to discuss the concerns of the community and make sure that some form of resolution is reached. They’ve been very clear, direct and unified with their opinion on the situation, and this is a sentiment that I share with them.

This thread will serve as a place where we’ll be updating you guys on what’s going on with this to make sure that there’s a central place for information, because it’s quite clear that this is an issue that the community is taking seriously. It’s also something I feel incredibly strongly about.

At this point in time, we’re investigating exactly what’s going on with the whole situation, and I’ve been in contact with our Legal department, Sales and our Information Security team with a view to having this looked into and resolved.

Given the sheer size of the investigation that we’ll be undertaking, this is going to take some time, as a lot of ISK and assets have changed hands. While some temporary action has been taken in order to keep a handle on the situation, any outcome of an investigation is still to be determined, and I can’t give any further information regarding the process while it’s ongoing.

There’s not a great deal more that I’ll be able to give you guys tonight, but please be aware, and rest assured, that you will not be stonewalled over this, and within reason the Community Team will be letting you guys know exactly what’s going on as and when we can release more information.

I’m hoping to have more on this for you guys tomorrow as we look into this further, but for now, this is just to let you all know that your voices have been heard, we’re actively looking at the situation, and will feed back as soon as we have more information that we can share.

We'll be locking all the other threads that are discussing this, and diverting them here to keep feedback concise and centralized in one place, so please feel free to use this thread to talk about the issue openly.

Just remember to keep it civil and within the forum rules, which also means no discussion of warnings and bans.

Thanks for your patience,

- F



And in the meantime until we hear back from CCP.............
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-08-19 03:33:54 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Xeleonn wrote:
I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.

'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"'

they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying

its definitely intended to decieve


if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2014-08-19 03:36:56 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Xeleonn wrote:
I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.

'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"'

they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying

its definitely intended to decieve


if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

i do not see how this mysterious trout in this milk proves anything about it being watered down
-remiel pollard
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-08-19 03:37:19 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Alundil
Rolled Out
#66 - 2014-08-19 03:39:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Xeleonn wrote:
I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.

'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"'

they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying

its definitely intended to decieve


if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Comprehension.... perhaps Somer will have a special blink for some of that. Buy a few tickets will ya?

I'm right behind you

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-08-19 03:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended or even made, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-08-19 03:44:18 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Xeleonn wrote:
I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.

'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"'

they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying

its definitely intended to decieve


if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Comprehension.... perhaps Somer will have a special blink for some of that. Buy a few tickets will ya?


I'm comrpehending just fine. I'm seeing a conclusion based on assumed and biased premises, but still no concrete evidence.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#69 - 2014-08-19 03:45:48 UTC
.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-08-19 03:46:07 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
its definitely intended to decieve

Haha so whats the penalty for scamming CCP?

.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2014-08-19 03:46:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2014-08-19 03:50:07 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended or even made, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong.


what evidence, besides the fifteen stab wounds in the back, do we have that someone intentionally stabbed this person? perhaps we ought not leap to conclusions because we do not understand what the concept of evidence is
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-08-19 03:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".


I have a bottle of shampoo in my hands. Nowhere on the label does it mention anything about cleaning my hair. It just says "shampoo" with a few ingredients and sales points based around them, and some instructions on how to use it, but no explicit claim that it's gonna clean my hair. I guess it's all intended to deceive, and by virtue of that, it probably won't wash my hair. Am I right?

So, who's really 'quibbling' with words?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-08-19 03:53:33 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended or even made, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong.


what evidence, besides the fifteen stab wounds in the back, do we have that someone intentionally stabbed this person? perhaps we ought not leap to conclusions because we do not understand what the concept of evidence is


Oh aren't you just precious with the bad analogies. There is a difference between making educated assumptions based on facts, and assumptions based on assumed premises.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2014-08-19 03:53:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".

not just doesn't mention, but carefully leaves it open while carefully implying it won't happen and implying the real value is you can sell anywhere
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-08-19 03:54:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you.

Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.


Quibble?

What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"

No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".


I have a bottle of shampoo in my hands. Nowhere on the label does it mention anything about cleaning my hair. It just says "shampoo" with a few ingredients and sales points based around them, and some instructions on how to use it, but no explicit claim that it's gonna clean my hair. I guess it's all intended to deceive, and by virtue of that, it probably won't wash my hair. Am I right?

So, who's really 'quibbling' with words?

Still you.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-08-19 03:55:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Oh aren't you just precious with the bad analogies.

Can I clean my hair with those?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-08-19 03:55:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Still you.


Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-08-19 03:58:20 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Still you.


Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way.

Did you know that words and analogies lose their effect when you use them in situations where they don't apply?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-08-19 03:58:37 UTC
If Somer are in the wrong, then I agree they should face the appropriate measures for bad behaviour. However, when I look down a street and see a swathe of pitchforks and torches, I only hope that whoever pissed them off gets away with it, regardless of what they've done, because that mindless crowd gives humanity a worse name than the perpetrator they are after.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104