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son wants to play eve......

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Hopper Krividus
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-08-18 11:41:54 UTC
10 is too young. I let my son play when he was 12 with bad results. There are many incidents on inappropriate postings in local and foul language. Reporting it after the fact does nothing for the impact that it causes. Have you read some people's bio's lately?
Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#62 - 2014-08-18 11:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Presidente Gallente
Benji Bobbb wrote:
My 10 year old son announced to me last night he wants to play eve. He currently plays minecraft and he picks up games really quick. He is already the encyclopedia of minecraft.
Is 10 too young to get him started or has anyone else got youngish kids playing eve.
It would be nice to play with him as I hate Minecraft with a passion and probable would help his learning.


First of all. My sons (7 and 9) are playing Minecraft and it's the perfect game to learn alot like dealing with mouse and keyboard and having fun with some kind of digital LEGO and basic first person PvP. And this is really enough for this age.

I am personally playing EVE since 2006. EVE is fascinating indeed. No question. But I experienced all bad side effects of such a game. It's addictive and depending on how and with who you play it becomes more than a hobby. It can become a part of your daily life. it's a true virtual sub-culture in my opinion.

Now most people think: I am grown-up, I am responsible for my life, I am old enough to keep control. All I can say as someone with an own company in RL, family with two kids and a intense social life: it's hard to control the time you want to play especially when you start the game and you want to keep on playing. The time investment is extreme. You want to play one hour only and you end up in four hours. Someone like me is forced to play EVE at evening till night. Result: sleep deprivation. I played EVE at my company a long time and fortunately I managed to drop this. I am pretty sure if I had been an employee I had been fired at this time.

All I want to say from what I spotted ingame with the people I am playing daily: if someone playing the game right and wants to tell you he's playing not so much. It's a lie. You won't play this game half an hour per day or one hour. This doesn't work and the game's concept will force you to play more.

And from this perspective EVE isn't the right game for a 10y old. Even if you limit the gametime playing with you and deciding where to play in the universe and what to play I wouldn't recommend to do this. Your son has enough time when he's older to check this out. For now he should enjoy video games with a pause and save button but playing a MMORPG like EVE is something what might affect his mind and activities too much. At this age he should use the free time to enjoy the real life with friends outdoor. And to limit the game for him would cause frustration and stress for both of you. I am pretty sure you don't do yourself and him a favor. In my case it would mess up the whole family life. Not to mention that my wife would EMORAGEQUIT! Lol

Well, this is my personal opinion.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2014-08-18 16:53:12 UTC
Well I started playing WoW when I was 10, could the entire alphabet of swear words in English when I was 11.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#64 - 2014-08-18 18:23:51 UTC
When we talk about actual money these days, my dad talks about me playing DinoPark Tycoon when I was a kid.

Yes, Eve has aggregated lots of people to whom I wouldn't introduce my 10 y/o son (had I one). And yes, there are some curiosities of the human condition to which I'd rather not expose someone so young and impressionable.

Yet -- there is the opportunity for you, as a parent, to introduce someone to ideas s/he might embrace.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#65 - 2014-08-18 18:49:47 UTC
Ten years old.

The game is a little strong in certain areas, particularly the Amarr lore, but if mature they should be ok with a few explainations you hadn't quite planned on yet.

But dear God! Some of the players! I hope you can afford good psychiatric care.
Plenty of the Adults are in dire need.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-08-18 18:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
pretty funny listening to some of these kids who live on the forums giving parenting advice. Roll

Just goes to show you that most of the people who post in every thread will give advice on things they have no experience with.

Color me surprised.
Beta Maoye
#67 - 2014-08-18 19:16:05 UTC
I would say EVE is a game for adults. Guide him closely if you let him play. EVE can bring out a person's dark side of personality. Most adults know they are playing a game, but some adults cannot distinguish gameplay from reallife clearly. A player even had publicly anounced that he want another player to commit suicide.

A 10 years old has not completely developed his independent thinking and critical thinking process. He will be easily affected by the "culture" of the game. You definitely don't want him to pick up any habits of bullying, scamming or sociopath from the game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#68 - 2014-08-18 19:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
pretty funny listening to some of these kids who live on the forums giving parenting advice. Roll

Just goes to show you that most of the people who post in every thread will give advice on things they have no experience with.

Color me surprised.

Cross-posing is bad, mmkay?

And you got your answer in the other thread. I quote:

Has it occurred to you that the reason why some of us shiptoast on the forums regularly may have something to do with having more important things to do than play games?

epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Ten years old.

The game is a little strong in certain areas, particularly the Amarr lore, but if mature they should be ok with a few explainations you hadn't quite planned on yet.
For a gaming take on that actual topic, look up Brenda Brathwaite's game for explaining the Middle Passage to her 7-year old.
Notorious Fellon
#69 - 2014-08-18 19:56:05 UTC
Too young. There is an extreme lack of decency by "adults" and teens alike when it comes to online gaming.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-08-18 20:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Tippia wrote:


Has it occurred to you that the reason why some of us shiptoast on the forums regularly may have something to do with having more important things to do than play games?


oh, you mean like posting on the forums of a video game incessantly? LolRoll
Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2014-08-18 20:35:55 UTC
I say let him play, I remember being wide eyed about video games when I was 10, a whole new universe for me to explore and make a name in, truly online games like everquest were magical to me at that age.

At no point did I ever feel like I couldn't play a game, I would sit him down, explain it a complicated and deep game filled with many many risks, dangers. I'd explain its not a game of instant gratification but with patience planning and hard work it's a game he could enjoy.

If he is still interested let him go at it, just add chat filters for whatever words you don't want him exposed to. Who knows it could become a nice bonding experience as you two explore new eden together, he may betray you and take your loot or save you from pirates one day.

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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-08-18 20:37:27 UTC
gonna sound horrible, I let my 6 yr old play. but he's sitting on my lap when he's playing with only corp chat open. He gets to watch stuff explode, and has a great time doing that.
Hopper Krividus
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-08-18 21:06:39 UTC
Isn't there a free poll taking site out there?

I'll vote no. Straight
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#74 - 2014-08-18 21:58:02 UTC
Benji Bobbb wrote:
My 10 year old son announced to me last night he wants to play eve. He currently plays minecraft and he picks up games really quick. He is already the encyclopedia of minecraft.
Is 10 too young to get him started or has anyone else got youngish kids playing eve.
It would be nice to play with him as I hate Minecraft with a passion and probable would help his learning.


Get him a trial as a refferal in the buddy program (21 days I think) have him run through the tutorials and see if he likes it.

If you do get him a sub you get the bonous on the refferal program.

If he does use the subscription as leverage on making sure he does his homework, chores, etc.
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-08-18 22:25:59 UTC
depending on how much op monitors his sons internet access and cultural exposure, all the nasty stuff that goes on in local chat might not even be a surprise to him. most of it is just rude words and maybe light sexual references, but many ten year olds would be pretty desensitized to that kind of content

Beta Maoye wrote:
I would say EVE is a game for adults. Guide him closely if you let him play. EVE can bring out a person's dark side of personality. Most adults know they are playing a game, but some adults cannot distinguish gameplay from reallife clearly. A player even had publicly anounced that he want another player to commit suicide.

A 10 years old has not completely developed his independent thinking and critical thinking process. He will be easily affected by the "culture" of the game. You definitely don't want him to pick up any habits of bullying, scamming or sociopath from the game.

eve will really help the kid up his schoolyard bully game and he will no doubt become the most feared kid on the playground. sounds pretty ideal to me
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#76 - 2014-08-18 23:30:07 UTC
EVE is older than he is. Straight

Who put the goat in there?

Kaiia Gavlas Thessia
Ravens' Nest
#77 - 2014-08-19 00:06:14 UTC
Chu Ke wrote:
Honestly...

Your son should be out playing sports and learning how to pick up girls




at 10? Damn was I behind.... ( the girl part that is )

RAVENS' NEST - Bringing the Dread Bomb Back

Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-08-19 00:13:36 UTC
Kaiia Gavlas Thessia wrote:
Chu Ke wrote:
Honestly...

Your son should be out playing sports and learning how to pick up girls




at 10? Damn was I behind.... ( the girl part that is )

it's always kind of creepy to see people projecting adult sexuality onto children because... they're children. i know a lot of people start developing romantic feelings at 10 but nothing close to the desire to "pick up" girls
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#79 - 2014-08-19 07:08:58 UTC
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" Just trying to get some context in mind.

People have named most of the toxic traps - local, npc corp chat, corp chat. Someone might slip a stupid mail into his box. VOIP might be problematic as well.

Maybe as a Parent - son together activity only. Have your own corp, fly PvP/PvE or mine together. I don't see just throwing him into the EVE pool willy-nilly without any surpervision as an appropriate thing. In general I would be more agreeable to age 12 or so.

Exposing him to, and explaining, Jita scamming definitely wouldn't be a bad life experience, unless you have a concern he might get ideas of starting a shake down ring in grade school.

As someone else said - it really depends on the kid and the toxicity level of the environment he's been exposed to up to this point. In today's world kids definitely need a full course, rough and tumble street education before they turn 16, but dammit they should also get to enjoy *some* innocence before they start working on their paranoia and ulcers.


Serene Repose
#80 - 2014-08-19 07:14:23 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" Just trying to get some context in mind.
People have named most of the toxic traps - local, npc corp chat, corp chat. Someone might slip a stupid mail into his box. VOIP might be problematic as well.
Maybe as a Parent - son together activity only. Have your own corp, fly PvP/PvE or mine together. I don't see just throwing him into the EVE pool willy-nilly without any surpervision as an appropriate thing. In general I would be more agreeable to age 12 or so.
Exposing him to, and explaining, Jita scamming definitely wouldn't be a bad life experience, unless you have a concern he might get ideas of starting a shake down ring in grade school.
As someone else said - it really depends on the kid and the toxicity level of the environment he's been exposed to up to this point. In today's world kids definitely need a full course, rough and tumble street education before they turn 16, but dammit they should also get to enjoy *some* innocence before they start working on their paranoia and ulcers.
Interesting, given the fact the kids have better things to do than this...and what's picked apart is what's here as a "pitfall" or "trap". Just being here is a pitfall for a kid. Kids have better things to do than this. (There. I said it again.)

We must accommodate the idiocracy.