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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#261 - 2014-08-18 20:40:18 UTC
Final Fantasy 14 is pretty good :D And console! Woop woop! *waits for trolls*

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#262 - 2014-08-18 20:41:54 UTC
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you.

I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here.

I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night.

I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed Smile

- F


Was community consulted about this at all ahead of time?


He said he was just made aware of it late last night. What exactly did you expect to be consulted on?

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TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#263 - 2014-08-18 20:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: TheMercenaryKing
Lucas Kell wrote:
Final Fantasy 14 is pretty good :D And console! Woop woop! *waits for trolls*



played it for 2 months, not my type of game, i love sandbox games where you are not grinding for gear. Eve you can play for 4 years, you still use Tech 1 stuff. I will stay with eve until some other game comes along that is actually worth it.


Anyways to keep this on topic, I hope CCP does something to Reinforce a positive standing with the player-base. I hope for Eve, i really do, but 10 years makes it an old dog and bad rep is not helping.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#264 - 2014-08-18 21:06:32 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Final Fantasy 14 is pretty good :D And console! Woop woop! *waits for trolls*



played it for 2 months, not my type of game, i love sandbox games where you are not grinding for gear. Eve you can play for 4 years, you still use Tech 1 stuff. I will stay with eve until some other game comes along that is actually worth it.


Anyways to keep this on topic, I hope CCP does something to Reinforce a positive standing with the player-base. I hope for Eve, i really do, but 10 years makes it an old dog and bad rep is not helping.

in eve you don't grind for new gear, you grind to keep repurchasing the old gear. six in one hand, half dozen in the other.
Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#265 - 2014-08-18 21:16:51 UTC
Thanks for posting this OP.

DNSBLACK are you going to do version 2 of your lottery if CCP rules this as fair and acceptable to the ToU and legal stance on RMT?
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#266 - 2014-08-18 21:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Anslo wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Chribba wrote:
No worries, even if CCP decides this is wrong and tells Somer to stop, I'm sure they'll give them some unique ships as a consolidation for lost revenue. I mean CCP can't let Somer go empty handed out of this, that would just be wrong.

/c


And this is exactly as low as CCP can fall to players' eyes.


Confirming that **** is going down when Chribba is taking a jab. Holy crap Shocked

Confirming Chribba is right with his sarcastic undertones.

CCP have a proven track record of continually letting their playerbase down with poor decisions and bad communication and yet once again they demonstrate the inability to adapt or change.

I wouldn't even say the playerbase is surprised, just disappointed once again.

How many times do CCP want or need to show blatant favouritism towards a third party entity or get drawn into scenarios where they look out of touch with their playerbase?

One or two eggs going "off" in a basket is acceptable, but when the majority of the basket seems to be "rotting" then you know that something is indeed wrong.

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Wollari
Dirt Nap Squad
#267 - 2014-08-18 21:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Wollari
Just my 2 cents copied from twitter

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Players should choose the affiliate link based on which site they want to support, not where they could get the best revenue.

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The moment players choose their affiliate link for GTCs based on best revenue the system is broken and it hurts all 3rd party sites

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I wonder if this revenue for players based on affiliate sales will be compliant with the upcoming 3rd party license: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=347643


IMHO the new developer license (which is currently a draft state for CREST, etc) should be updated and get an additional point: A player should not get any benefits by using a service that creates revenue for the developer (click on banner ads, affiliate links, etc).

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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#268 - 2014-08-18 21:52:06 UTC
Here is my opinion (whether you want to hear it or not):

1. I don't mind using youtube although a bunch of video stars gets rich from this.
2. I don't mind watching streams on twitch though some people can make a living from it.
3. I would really not mind if some people got rich through EVE although they don't work for CCP. (they could do it by uploading great EVE videos on youtube or streaming a famous roaming channel or whatever on twitch anyway)

What would really not be cool was if CCP enforced the EULA on different players in different ways.
Confronted with ever new fringe cases made up from the ever creative EVE community, they are really in trouble.
If they really sanction this, a lot of people will copy it.

I believe that the only way to permanently get rid of these issues would be to have some mechanism that allows people to somehow burn their ISK for real cash.
(e.g. CCP buying back PLEXes)

Of course, people will argue that PLEX prices would then ultimately would go through the roof... but, who knows?
Maybe a lot of new players would be attracted by the news that you can make a real fortune by blowing up pixel spaceships.
And maybe new players tend to buy more PLEXes since they are not yet as spacerich as the vets?

More players for EVE, some cash for the vets and more revenue for CCP... sounds too good to be true, hm?
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#269 - 2014-08-18 22:06:22 UTC
If you guys weren't addicted to gambling blink would have never gotten this far. You know the real problem!

(I'm being facetious, hope any RMT stuff is prevented.)

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ISD Alliance
#270 - 2014-08-18 22:14:34 UTC
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Tiberius Zol
Moira.
#271 - 2014-08-18 22:16:20 UTC
I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..

Why the double standards?

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Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#272 - 2014-08-18 22:26:24 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you.

I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here.

I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night.

I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed Smile

- F



I think it's a little past afternoon time (guessing Iceland time) and no update. Even a "i didn't get enough information from the team, we're still working on it", would have been a good a good response.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#273 - 2014-08-18 22:26:34 UTC
Tiberius Zol wrote:
I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..

Why the double standards?



Because
A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it.
B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok.
You advertise someone else's website.
You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#274 - 2014-08-18 22:26:44 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Well it's almost 10:30 PM in Reykjavik...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#275 - 2014-08-18 22:34:12 UTC
Belinda HwaFang wrote:
Thanks for posting this OP.

DNSBLACK are you going to do version 2 of your lottery if CCP rules this as fair and acceptable to the ToU and legal stance on RMT?
--
Fang



1. Would sell DNSBlack properly on the forums and according to CCP rules.

2. Find a third party willing to give me a cut for plex references.

3. Run the Somer Plex Contract model as much and as often as I can until the isk is gone. I may eve scam a few people along the way just cause I can cause CCP is not over seeing this program. If the conversion is correct at 1 bil = 19 dollars then my isk and charcter may net me around 5000 dollars.

4. The key to you being able to do this is based on your isk pool. If you liquidate everything to isk you can RMT it.

The sad part is we are currently having our eve world cup and yet again we have a player who hasn't been trending for the last year get a lot of free advertising by the player base. He is exploiting the good will of our community and CCP. If he is doing this with CCP approvel "Kati Bare the Door" Alex is licking his chops and will do it much better then Somer. If Somer is found in violation then, we can only hope that CCP ends his playing days and takes the isk pool away and begins to manage the game rules equally.

What I find sad is this is a community issue and by Falcons response he was not in the loop. If he was and didn't inform the CSM then egg on his face. If he wasn't then there is another CCP employee going to get his ass chewed for hanging him out to dry.
DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
#276 - 2014-08-18 22:43:00 UTC
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Lord BryanII
#277 - 2014-08-18 22:44:14 UTC
I don't see where any rule was broken. Can Somer not buy back the PLEX?
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#278 - 2014-08-18 22:55:20 UTC
Lord BryanII wrote:
I don't see where any rule was broken. Can Somer not buy back the PLEX?

Last year when they were going all in with this rmt stuff the ruling was: you may not offer in game incentives to entice people to use your referral link vs. another

Now they are offering the in game incentive of: we will buy your plex for 30m more than whatever Jita is paying if you use our referral link- which generates affiliate fees for Somer (real life money US Dollars) and lots of it

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#279 - 2014-08-18 22:56:48 UTC
Clolo wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you.

I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here.

I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night.

I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed Smile

- F



I think it's a little past afternoon time (guessing Iceland time) and no update. Even a "i didn't get enough information from the team, we're still working on it", would have been a good a good response.

I don't think they ever actually posted their final response to the previous Somer incident. It was all reported second hand.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#280 - 2014-08-18 22:57:06 UTC
I guess CCP needs the revenue...

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