EVE General Discussion

Who said everything has to be profitable? I gave 1bil to a player who made interesting story thread last week so he could have a chance to have more stories to tell, am I stupid because it wasn't profitable?

It's problem of people like you who filter everything through ISK/h instead of Fun/h. You have only one metrics validating your gameplay and you try to force this narrow-minded view on everybody.

Stop being RL poor and play games for fun instead of grinding pennies online and whine about everyone who get at least a little amount of fun from their play time.

You are not frakking snowflake, you don't deserve anything in pixel world. Especially in dystopian universe of Eve.

that's because multiboxing is about problem solving and having fun min/maxing. the EVE mentality is to do something only if the ISK/h justifies it, the boxer mentality is to do something if the intricacies of making it work are fun enough. they would mine with ventures for the hell of it if that's all they had to mine with.

let me give an example, i run right now, 300 invention jobs, and about 200 manufacturing jobs. i consume about 80b worth of materials every month and im pretty sure im the sole reason the T2 prices haven't taken the predicted spike in price and are instead slowly rising. (at least on the items i manufacture)

want to know my profit last month? zero.

i never had profit, and i intentionally made an objective never to have one. (i do avoid losses like everyone else whoever)

and about the skiff, the ship was intended, since its first rebalance, to be THE ship for hsec.

before the last change to it, fitting one DCUII on a mack would make its yield equal to that of a Skiff. and while most people still mined with macks for some ******** reason, the skiff was already the best ship.

due to ganking who would fly an untanked mack?, and if tanking a mack lowers the yield to that of a skiff, then why fly a mack at all? now the real problem was created with the last rebalance, they increased the yield of the skiff to match the mack. so now the previous situation where only idiots were flying macks and dying in hilarious ways, has now been fixed by CCP, they literally spoon fed them the solution. "here, here dummy, you are supposed to fly a skiff.. so now get on it."

and yes, i have a problem with that, and not just because i make the macks, mind you. this game is all about trade offs, the old skiff was a trade off, about 20% less yield, but you were quite literally unkillable unless you were stupid enough to fit invuls on it.

a skiff with a proper kin/therm/EM tank, under unbonussed links, and fitted with a 1mn MWD (yes, 1mn.. look at the mass of the skiff, please.) cant be bumped, and cant be ganked. that was true before, and still is now. so if CCP could please nerf the yield on the skiff by a good 20% everything will be again back in balance.

and about the OP, again, the ice is there. its not yours. given your yield you took your share of what was there while it was there. if you want more, then go to null.

The mackinkaw, with its larger ore hold, works out 10% more efficient in a comparison test of a solo mining and dropping off skiff vs mackinkaw. 10% more efficiency, for 300% less tank. Oh and it moves like a slug too.

First of all, it takes considerably less to gank a skiff than you all think, especially given that most skiffs run all MU2s in their lowslots.

Second of all, you can gank a skiff for far less than the cost of the skiff.

Third of all even if it took as much as you all speculated it to, we'd still be doing it just because.

If you put at much effort into solving your own problems as you did continually repeating the same debunked arguments you wouldn't have any problems.

Also, this thread is full of horrible ideas, yours being foremost among them.

Even the CODE. guy isn't complaining.

And honestly, if you want to understand the move to Skiffs look no further than CODE.. Miners are the ultimate optimizers and their move to Skiffs despite the lower yield should be telling.

your reading comprehension is astounding.

Fine i'll word it another way, the mackinkaw gets 10% more ice than the skiff if you're a miner with no hauler support. But it has only 33% of the tank.

I think the best thing is people literally spoon-fed this idiot the answer to the AM-tanked skiff and it passed so far over his head i can see it stuck to the ceiling behind him.

Be careful claiming that we can't touch them. That is hardly true. What is true however is that its prohibitively expensive to take any action against them if the multi-boxer is even half way competent. It takes a significant number of players to kill a procurer in a way that is anything other than a massive loss. T2 catalysts will require around 50m in ships to kill 1 procurer. Meta catalysts can cut that down to 15 or 20 mill which depending on drops *might* break even. The issue is getting enough people online to gank a procurer with meta catalysts. With the number of people required you might as well use t2 cats for orca ganking.