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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#201 - 2014-08-18 15:47:37 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
this is purely a legal issue.

Or a matter for internal affairs.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#202 - 2014-08-18 15:48:32 UTC
I appreciate all the genuine replies to my inquiry regarding why RMT is not good for the game.

You've turned me into a believer

+1

Bacon makes us stronger
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#203 - 2014-08-18 15:52:03 UTC
So this is basically the same thing they did last year with a couple extra steps to bypass whatever the last ruling was, creating another GTC monopoly and pushing out other GTC retailers by offering perks no one else can match, correct?

All the while converting isk from inside EVE Online the game into real life income dollars.

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Prince Kobol
#204 - 2014-08-18 16:01:39 UTC
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
So this is basically the same thing they did last year with a couple extra steps to bypass whatever the last ruling was, creating another GTC monopoly and pushing out other GTC retailers by offering perks no one else can match, correct?

All the while converting isk from inside EVE Online the game into real life income dollars.



Kind off.

The part about offering perks no one else can match is not true as so far nobody else has tried this method. At the moment there is nothing to stop somebody doing exactly the same.

The rest is pretty much spot on.
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#205 - 2014-08-18 16:04:10 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
At the moment there is nothing to stop somebody doing exactly the same

Haha no one else has the liquidity of Somer after years of being promoted by CCP to pay more than Jita prices for a PLEX

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Ms Forum Alt
Doomheim
#206 - 2014-08-18 16:06:58 UTC
Here's what you do: If your account is up on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again. If your account is down on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again.

Problem solved.

Also CCP, you had a CASINO button in station services back in 2003. Bring it back and put Somerblink out of business.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#207 - 2014-08-18 16:07:40 UTC
Shocked POPCORN ANYONELol
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#208 - 2014-08-18 16:09:52 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Shocked POPCORN ANYONELol




Didn't you sell your character Blink

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#209 - 2014-08-18 16:10:40 UTC
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Here's what you do: If your account is up on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again. If your account is down on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again.

Problem solved.

Also CCP, you had a CASINO button in station services back in 2003. Bring it back and put Somerblink out of business.



mmm WiS Casino would be sweet.

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Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#210 - 2014-08-18 16:14:11 UTC
Ritsum wrote:
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Here's what you do: If your account is up on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again. If your account is down on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again.

Problem solved.

Also CCP, you had a CASINO button in station services back in 2003. Bring it back and put Somerblink out of business.



mmm WiS Casino would be sweet.


Who are you kidding. We know you're waiting on the WiS brothels.

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#211 - 2014-08-18 16:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:
Shocked POPCORN ANYONELol




Didn't you sell your character Blink


No i was stop due to it being a EULA and TOS violation. What I should have done was sold it legally on the forums then RMT the isk using the plex system somer is showing us. I just have to find a third party plex seller to give me a cut of his profits based on my references.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#212 - 2014-08-18 16:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Honestly I am cheering for Somer this time. If this model is legal think of what the large isk holders in the game can do with it. This will open the door for groups like the Goons, PL,NC,Nulli to make real money for thier ship replacement program, rental empire and super cap sales. I tried to get Dotlan maps to run the same program by offering a plex memebers only section on his maps. Truly I am getting a huge laugh out of this.

The key element for for anyone to run the same program is to have a means of massing large pools of isk. You can do this in game or use a site like somer out of game. I am still waiting for the first pHorn site that offers membership using isk or plex.

As for it being CCP approved. Speaking from first hand knowledge CCP has a problem in communication and the right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. The fact the CSM wasnt informed speaks volumes to this truth.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#213 - 2014-08-18 16:38:50 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
I am still waiting for the first pHorn site that offers membership using isk or plex.

As for it being CCP approved. Speaking from first hand knowledge CCP has a problem in communication


I can write on my 'adult entertainment' website CCP approved its content and encourages PLEXing membership but it won't mean they did and do.

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Prince Kobol
#214 - 2014-08-18 16:39:35 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Honestly I am cheering for Somer this time. If this model is legal think of what the large isk holders in the game can do with it. This will open the door for groups like the Goons, PL,NC,Nulli to make real money for thier ship replacement program, rental empire and super cap sales. I tried to get Dotlan maps to run the same program by offering a plex memebers only section on his maps. Truly I am getting a huge laugh out of this.

The key element for for anyone to run the same program is to have a means of massing large pools of isk. You can do this in game or use a site like somer out of game. I am still waiting for the first pHorn site that offers membership using isk or plex.

As for it being CCP approved. Speaking from first hand knowledge CCP has a problem in communication and the right hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. The fact the CSM wasnt informed speaks volumes to this truth.



I mostly agree.

IF CCP have deemed this to be legal then the only way to show them how wrong they are is for people to go to town with it. The more people / groups taking advantage of it the better.

As for the CSM not knowing about it, come on, you really think CCP runs everything by the CSM?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#215 - 2014-08-18 16:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cherry Yeyo wrote:
So this is basically the same thing they did last year with a couple extra steps to bypass whatever the last ruling was, creating another GTC monopoly and pushing out other GTC retailers by offering perks no one else can match, correct?

All the while converting isk from inside EVE Online the game into real life income dollars.

Actually, it's the same thing they did last year with fewer steps and dealing directly with ISK rather than go the roundabout way of giving “store credit” on the Somer website that had to be checked out through the lottery system. In the old system they tried to hide it behind “oh, but we're just giving you bonus credits to gamble with”. Now, they're trying to hide it behind “oh, but it's just a regular PLEX sale via contract”. As if the direct connection between $$$ to Somer and ISK to the customer would go away.

That's what makes it so baffling: it's even more blatant, direct, and obvious than the old system that got shut down. Ugh
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#216 - 2014-08-18 16:44:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

As for the CSM not knowing about it, come on, you really think CCP runs everything by the CSM?

If Falcon is to be believed (and I believe him) CCP didn't tell the CSM because most of CCP didn't know. I'm guessing random GM who didn't read the petition closely is the only guy who was in the loop here.
Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#217 - 2014-08-18 16:45:46 UTC
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Here's what you do: If your account is up on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again. If your account is down on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again.

Problem solved.

Also CCP, you had a CASINO button in station services back in 2003. Bring it back and put Somerblink out of business.

I've never had a blink account or played blink, but I also dont wanna play a game where theres greasy RMT deals going on either.

If we are meant to be able to make a real life income playing EVE Online then somebody setup a tutorial or walkthrough for that so I can get started!

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#218 - 2014-08-18 16:46:23 UTC
I look forward to whatever I'm going to spend my thousands of irl dollars I make off Honest Retar Aveymones's Officially Not A RMT Operation Plex Sales and Kickbacks.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#219 - 2014-08-18 16:48:42 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lets go with the assumption that Somer did indeed go to CCP first and CCP agreed.

First we have no idea whether it was a GM or whether it was somebody higher up who gave the go ahead.
Well from CCPs and the CSMs response it seems like it was not widely discussed, so it's unlikely to have been a dev decision.

Prince Kobol wrote:
Secondly, to presume that a GM would just give the go ahead without consulting anybody else consider what happened previously with Somer, and presuming that a GM is weak minded enough that they would let themselves be convinced doing something which is against the rules is insulting at best.

I am not sure why you have such a low opinion of the GM's, I personally think they do a great job. Sure they make the odd mistakes but they are human and we all make mistakes from time to time.
No, you take it as an insult, and you suggest I have a low opinion of them, which isn't the case. I simply understand, like you have suggested, that GMs are human, and can be manipulated into making a mistake.

Prince Kobol wrote:
After what happened last time it would make sense that Somer approach CCP first. For all we know Somer and CCP have been discussing this for days / Weeks / Months.

You, Me and everybody else has no idea what discussions have taken place if any.

You can get your panties in a twist all you like but you can not change the fact that If Somer did indeed get the okay from CCP then your anger is completely misplaced.
So if it turns out they raised a petition, and a single GM said it was OK, you think Somer should just get away with it? They know full well it's not allowed, and you shouldn't be able to get away with disregarding the rules whenever you can convince a GM to say "that sounds fine".

It's strange that you would defend someone who is clearly engaging in RMT. You can say it's whining all you want, but they sell ISK for money. That's not allowed. They should be punished. End of story.

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Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#220 - 2014-08-18 16:58:11 UTC
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I promise to pay more isk for your PLEX that you purchase from my referral link than Somer!

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