Ships & Modules

Don't get me wrong, the vexor is a GREAT little hull, I really like it. It is not, however, a solowtfbbqpwnmobile.

I like the gallente boats, I actually find for my types of engagement they suit my needs well at the cruiser bracket.

But I prefer caldari frigates (merlins are sick).

1. Ok, let's compare Celestis with Arbitrator. Celestis has 5 mid slots and useful bonuses to dampeners which make him useful ship for PvP, it is widely used in tournaments and FW. Arbitrator CANNOT be used and IS NOT used as an ewar ship because has not enough middle slots and tracking disruptors are useless in fleet battles and small gangs PvP. The most important application of ewar is to lock logistic to not allow them to repair the ship which is under focused fire, TD cannot fit this role.

2. Armageddon is good boat but Dominix is still better, even CCP accepted that. In tournement rules Dominix costs 20 points, but Armageddon only 17. I think all battleships needs to have the same point cost, they just need to put their's performance at the same level.

3. Completely agree, Ishtar needs fixing ASAP. I would reduce it drone bandwidth to 50 MB with ability to use only medium and light drones, leaving heavy and sentry drones to Battleships and battlecruisers.

4. Gallente have same turrets as Caldary. They both use Blasters and railguns. The only difference Gallente has bonuses on damage but Caldari on range, these binuses are equal, but Gallente has also faster ships, which is not fair. Speed should be the same.

1. Compare the effectiveness of one TD to one Sensor Dampener against a range of ships against a cruiser-sized hull. Especially on battleships, you need multiple damps to be effective, whereas one TD is quite effective. Against a frigate, usually one damp is enough, whereas one TD won't be as effective. So in terms of EWar performance, you can't say that one is "better" than the other; they both have different strengths.

Also keep in mind that the Arbitrator applies effective EWar and good DPS, which the Celestis cannot do. (Neither can the Blackbird incidentally, but the Bellicose can to some degree.)

2. The Alliance Tournament rules and ship points costs are not always indicative of overall balance. In particular, tournament mechanics like ship bans, limits on setups, etc. differentiate AT balance from Tranquility balance. I would argue that the point differentiation speaks to the versatility of the Domi and Ishtar more than their overall balance.

3. N/A

4. Gallente and Caldari ships use the same turret system (Hybrids), but their bonuses are geared towards blasters (Gallente) or railguns (Caldari). Gallente gunships need to be fast because blasters have such miniscule ranges; slow blaster boats can't really kill anything unless they landed right on top of it. You will notice that the Gallente gunships are generally the faster hulls, while the droneboats are the slower hulls. Even with as fast as they are now, Gallente blaster boats extremely vulnerable to being kited, hence the shift to rails.

Caldari ships can afford to be slow because all of their primary weapons have good range.

You don't active tank a Moa. You make it a buffer tank and slap 250mm rails on it and it is a great ship for fleets, way more than Thorax is. Compared to the most similar Thorax fit you can get for the same work It nets 32 less dps and it trades them off for 10k ehp more and the ability to fit a web , or it can just ludricrous the Thorax and get a total DOUBLE the EHP without the web and a second invul field.

Basically, you're talking out of your ass and should seriously shut up.

My Ishtar gets over 67,000EHP SHIELD Fit, so please go back and do your research

nothing stopping people from flying gallente ships is there?

if u were on about the ishtar i would listen but saying that gallente is overall better than every other race makes me switch off sorry.

my vargur took on a nueting armageddon and a neuting domi. along with some other **** i wasnt really paying attention to. If i was in a kronos i would have been dead.

enyo vs vengaeance? depends on stuff but if the vengeanec stays 5km + away the enyo is dead. (unless rail enyo?)

i dont know man sure gallente ships are strong but theres no one race beats all in this game. evrything is situational and fit dependant.

If you fit web and scram on a Moa and try to shoehorn it into a small gang/solo boat you get, ofc, a worse Thorax. If you, however, use it in fleets (without full tackle and shield buffer fitted) you get a much better result when using a Moa. To explain it a bit more in detail (again): in fleets you have dedicated tacklers - so not everyone needs "middle slots" for full tackle. You also have dedicated logistics, so no need for any kind of active tank or cap boosters. As soon as logistics come into play the resist bonus of the Moa really starts to shine. Shield tanked ships can be fit "full tank&spank".

So...instead of accepting the fact that there isn't just one (your) PvP scenario, you come to the forums and demand to make all ships equal so they fit your personal needs ^^

Everyone benefit from competetive Gameplay. At the current status of ship balance in Alliance tournements most of the teams are either Gallente or Guristas.

The alliance tournament use rules which are different than what we see on TQ. People will use ship closer to what they would in solo because you can't have more than one ship running logi duty. The limited space you can fly too also change how the fights play out thus driving a much different and narrow meta of what will perform. The moa shine when it is flown to it's own strength instead of another ship's strength.

Its pointless to quote raw EHP because even drones have resists tbch.

Plus its kind of like arguing "its unfair that you have a meat shield an i dont" when you bring up the 5 ogre's have more "Raw" EHP than a vexor. Like the other one in the quote said, once you count those resists the entire point is moot.