EVE General Discussion

The confusion between kids being stupid and simply being inexperienced (or just having a smaller reference pool) is at times both sad and hilarious to watch. The sad part is mainly comes in when people really should know better.

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Can you raise kids and play football?
Can you raise kids and have hobbies, or is it only gaming that you cannot do with kids?

as a child of a single working mother, Bull****.

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Tbf my mother is known as "she who must be obeyed" and bedtime was 7pm sharp until I was about 10, then 10pm til about 15. Despite having a stressful job and being single, if she had wanted to play online games she probably would have made time when I was asleep. It wasn't a lights out policy (could read in room), but she made time to decompress after work doing what she wanted. It doesn't seem a bad policy once your children have a sleeping pattern to make a concerted effort to reserve a portion of every day for yourself. I go to friends-with-kids houses and notice some don't seem to have a particularly strict routine, bedtime is always a battle and the household revolves around the kids when they are awake. Their parents are often hiding in another room away from the noise anyway, and the only time they get to relax is when they pack the kids off to relatives.


We rented when I was a child, partly because my mother was so dismissive of the notion of home ownership. The landlord was responsible for maintenance, which is important for single parents who can't do a lot of home improvements. But the main reason was to free up money for things she saw as more important, like holidays. That attitude resulted in her being constantly criticised by friends and family when I was growing up but we used to travel 6-8 weeks every year abroad and domestically which was awesome. There's no house for me to inherit as an adult, but she acted as guarantor on my morgage, which I wish I hadn't got now as the house is in negative equity anyway :P

I'm impressed by the simplistic, one-liner dismissals of what is more than just a little complicated. For instance, selling houses priced at a certain amount to people who obviously couldn't afford them...gets turned into a neurotic obsession to own a house. That was a cute right hand turn there. The lenders knew the borrowers couldn't pay, but they were bundling off the mortgage anyway....SO. Nice try there.

In the U.S., by the way, "people" get really good to you when you OWN your house. You even get a higher class of junk mail; stuff you never see as a renter. Of course, home ownership makes for stable neighborhoods and communities is an undisputed fact. No, we aren't taking seriously everyone exercising a supposed right to free speech who think they're experts. We understand the logic of the infallible brain, and other works of fiction.

Parenting in a world of people destined for economic slavery gets rather difficult, I guess. Is your goal to have children who don't get arrested, but land jobs? There's no more to it than that...or to make good shoppers...yeah. Count your change...or be able to tell if you're being screwed by a credit card company. Wait, everybody's being screwed with credit cards. Right. Or the 401k. Oh yeah, everybody's getting screwed with those, too.

Actually, being a human being in this world today is rather vapid and one-dimensional. Let your kids do what they want. Hell. Give 'em the car keys at ten years old. Letting them be FREE has to be more important than any other consideration. There I go again...there ARE no considerations! This gets easier by the minute!

I was raised by an uneducated misanthrope who sided as a geek in a carnival. My dad was a Sunday driver who refused to buy us seafood on our outings. I turned out alright! There's your standard. Raise your kids like EVE players think they should be raised! If that's not good enough for you, ask about it in WoW. I'm sure they know.

In line with the original question...

I have a 9 year old girl, a 5 year old boy, and we just had our third, another girl!

Yes, I have to wait until after bedtime to get some playing in now for a while and mostly tend to the skill queue, but that is ok with me for now. I still get to do some solo roaming at night and now I am getting into a bit of industry as well (never really touched it) and looking at some market trading.
I feel there is always something to do in the game although I cannot be on as mush as I was until the little tot gets a little older. The best part is the older sister can give a helping hand to alleviate some of the burden.

It is no big deal. The game does not rule my life; I enjoy it for what it is: a game.

As a Parent of a 1 1/2 year old, being a night owl I just stay up and play till she goes to bed then stay up with my wife till she goes to sleep then I have 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 hours before I go to sleep usually around 11:30-12-15.

So I still get a good amount of time in.

This is pretty much the approach my wife and I took. We taught them the important things (like ethical behavior) and let them figure out the minor stuff (like pulling the TV off the stand onto your head hurts) on their own. My goal as a parent was to raise well adjusted, critically thinking, reasonably intelligent members of society. What they choose to make of themselves in life is on them, not me.

Though for the record they seem to be doing alright - one wants to be a cop, one seems to want to do "something in construction" like his grandfather, and the youngest wants to be an artist (or maybe a linguist - she can't decide. I told her to do both.)

PI. Lots and lots of PI.

Lost a Stiletto the other day because I left it at a gate in Null to attend to the mini-missus.

I am basically logging in to check the skill queue and PI on the side to keep up a reserve. Play time is down to minutes a day.

actually not true at al, my son at 3 will not shut up, he talks perfectly fine, and is in the 'I love it phase' He says things like

'um.. dad.. whats that?' "That is my PoS son." "OH! I love your PoS dad!"

or "Dad what you doing?" "Playing eve.." "I want to play!" "um ok..." *sets on lap* "no don't hit that... so don't self destrouct.. stop that!" "dad go there! I love that!" "sigh..."