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Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2014-08-18 11:46:32 UTC
very clever way of geting around the rules i say.

wrong maybe.....
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-08-18 11:49:58 UTC
The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.

This crap will continue otherwise.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2014-08-18 11:52:18 UTC
Whelp, my bad for not checking the facts myself. Roll

If it's now ok (for anyone) to openly give ISK and/or other in-game assets to promote their PLEX reselling, CCP should indeed state it clearly.

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DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#144 - 2014-08-18 11:52:25 UTC
This is the greatest miscarriage of justice since the Casey Anthony trial.

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Prince Kobol
#145 - 2014-08-18 11:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Tippia wrote:


Prince Kobol wrote:
No, that is your interpretation of what is happening.
It's not so much an interpretation as a matter of fact. It's how the PLEX repurchase system works. If it works otherwise, then Somer (and everyone who has tried it) is lying about how the program works.


No, it is still your interpretation on how it works. You do not work for CCP, you can not speak on their behalf. The only interpretation that matters is CCP's. We can only guess what CCP's interpretation is on any given subject until they rule one way or another. In this instance it appears that they have ruled this scheme is not a form of RMT.

Tippia wrote:
The fact that CCP has supposedly given this a green light is the preferential treatment since it would be flagged as blatant RMT otherwise.

Prince Kobol wrote:
Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this?


The part where they say that this has been vetted and cleared by CCP. CCP has been very clear that anyone and everyone caught RMTing will get slapped hard. The Somer statement, if true, means they're not being treated like everyone else.


No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.

I have no issue that you feel what is happening is wrong, I have no issue that you feel it is a form of RMT and it is your right and everybody else's right to discuss the matter, however until somebody does exactly what Somer is doing then you can not claim it is preferential treatment and that CCP have stopped anybody else doing what they are doing.

We go back to the point that CCP have apparently ruled this is not a form of RMT which makes your last statement invalid.
Prince Kobol
#146 - 2014-08-18 11:54:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.

This crap will continue otherwise.


Or just set up something and do exactly what he is doing.
CCP Falcon
#147 - 2014-08-18 11:58:53 UTC
Hey guys,

I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you.

I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here.

I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night.

I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed Smile

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2014-08-18 11:59:19 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Prince Kobol wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.

This crap will continue otherwise.


Or just set up something and do exactly what he is doing.

I don't have that capability. Not many people do.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Memrox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2014-08-18 11:59:22 UTC
Ban Somer, stop these affiliate links and everything will be fair and square. I'd like to see Somer banned on the grounds of causing mass distress to the Eve population for the second time. Almost terr.... like lol
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2014-08-18 12:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Guttripper
Just some wild thoughts for a moment, don't mind me...

Previous patch raised the cost of performing industrial related tasks as a whole while adding other ISK sinks like teams.

CCP (nearly) simultaneously had a plex sale.

A few weeks later, Somer is offering bonus ISK to buy your plex.

Coincidence or ideal timing? Question

Edit: While posting, this thought arrived - will Somer buy any plex or only those purchased through Markee Dragon? If I am understanding the flow from what I have read on Mitten's site, then it is only that one route - from Markee.
Prince Kobol
#151 - 2014-08-18 12:01:57 UTC
Just to raise one other point, if it transpires that Somer has lied about this scheme being authorised by CCP then I would expect CCP to perma ban all his accounts and to confiscate all isk and any items on those accounts.

Anything else would be disgraceful.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#152 - 2014-08-18 12:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Prince Kobol wrote:
No, it is still your interpretation on how it works.
So you're saying that Somer isn't describing their own procedures accurately?

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We can only guess what CCP's interpretation is on any given subject until they rule one way or another. In this instance it appears that they have ruled this not be RMT.
…and any such ruling is absurd given Somer's description of the procedure.

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No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.
You mean hand out ISK in exchange for referral bucks? Yes there is: Somer did it. They had to stop because it was blatant RMT when you untangled the transactions, and all PLEX retailers were required to alter their terms to no longer allow for the kind of in-game/out-of-game mixing Somer was into.

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until somebody does exactly what Somer is doing then you can not claim it is preferential treatment and that CCP have stopped anybody else doing what they are doing.
Sure I can, especially given the history of Somer getting (massive) preferential treatment.

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We go back to the point that CCP have apparently ruled this is not a form of RMT which makes your last statement invalid.
…and that would, itself, be a case of massive preferential treatment if true, since they have supposedly ruled a very obvious exchange of real money for ISK as “not RMT” in this single case.
Prince Kobol
#153 - 2014-08-18 12:02:55 UTC
Memrox wrote:
Ban Somer, stop these affiliate links and everything will be fair and square. I'd like to see Somer banned on the grounds of causing mass distress to the Eve population for the second time. Almost terr.... like lol


This is just a stupid idea.

Affiliate links are a great way of getting people/companies to sell products.



James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2014-08-18 12:03:43 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.

Nobody else has been told that this was acceptable to do. Even if it is and now everyone is allowed to do it, that alone indicates favoritism.

Prince Kobol wrote:
We go back to the point that CCP have apparently ruled this is not a form of RMT which makes your last statement invalid.

No, we're at the point where Somer says that CCP has ruled that this is not a form of RMT.
If they're telling the truth then it's possible they got some rookie/careless/apathetic GM who gave them the green light, and this isn't actually a new direction in CCP's policy at all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Prince Kobol
#155 - 2014-08-18 12:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Tippia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
No, it is still your interpretation on how it works.
So you're saying that Somer isn't describing their own procedures accurately?

You have lost me here, sorry.

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We can only guess what CCP's interpretation is on any given subject until they rule one way or another. In this instance it appears that they have ruled this not be RMT.
…and any such ruling is absurd given Somer's description of the procedure.

You have the right to think that, I am not arguing that, what I am saying that it is your opinion which at the moment is the opposite of CCP's, and CCP's opinion is what matters as unfortunate as that might be.

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No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.
You mean hand out ISK in exchange for referral bucks? Yes there is: Somer did it. They had to stop because it was blatant RMT when you untangled the transactions, and all PLEX retailers were required to alter their terms to no longer allow for the kind of in-game/out-of-game mixing Somer was into.

Again apparently CCP feel that what they are doing this time is within what ever frame work they work to in regards to RMT.

You might feel it isn't as is your right, but apparently CCP feel that it is.

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until somebody does exactly what Somer is doing then you can not claim it is preferential treatment and that CCP have stopped anybody else doing what they are doing.
Sure I can, especially given the history of Somer getting (massive) preferential treatment.


Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.

(god damn forum has messed up the quotes lol.. sorry)
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#156 - 2014-08-18 12:07:34 UTC
Ah and still through Markee Dragon as well, the infamous RMT master of MMO land. Always finding cracks to exploit.

Guess the debate is back on again. I'll see you guys in one of the 20 topics that are undoubtedly going to sprout in the coming weeks.

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#157 - 2014-08-18 12:10:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
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Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.

Why would anyone do this? They would get banned. Somer, on the other hand, might get a slap on the wrist.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2014-08-18 12:12:00 UTC
Is it possible that Markee Dragon is the person behind Somerset Mahm?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#159 - 2014-08-18 12:13:30 UTC
It is blatant RMTing, as it was last time.

If CCP have authorised this scheme, as claimed by Somer, then CCP have opened the field for anyone and everyone to RMT as they are now saying it is ok. Questions must be asked of whoever in CCP authorised it- not a good start to Seagulls reign.

If CCP did not authorise the scheme or were duped by Somer then he should be banned and all accounts related to Somer should be deleted and banned.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#160 - 2014-08-18 12:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Prince Kobol wrote:
You have lost me here, sorry.
I'm saying that it's not an interpretation — it's how the process is described by Somer. If I'm “interpreting” it wrong, it's because it is not being described correctly.

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You have the right to think that, I am not arguing that, what I am saying that it is your opinion which at the moment is the opposite of CCP's, and CCP's opinion is what matters as unfortunate as that might be.
…and thus we arrive at the preferential treatment: if CCP's opinion is any different in this case than in any other where people have offered in-game ISK in exchange for a series of transactions that net them real-life cash, then Somer is being held to a different standard than the official one.

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Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.
The most obvious one is Somer themselves, a year ago.

All they've done is simplify the transactions and started dealing in actual in-game ISK rather than credits that have to be cashed out through the lottery.

Beyond that, I don't deal with RMTers so I can't refer you to any other services, past, present or future, that do the same thing. I'd rather like to keep my account active, tyvm.