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Thoughts on my Machariel Fit
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Sky Kensa
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-08-17 16:05:55 UTC
Ok, before I post the fit, I want to mention that I know that the ship is a shield tank ship and generally tanks through its DPS potential. On that note, this fit is definitely against the meta. However, my armor tanking skills are by far stronger than my shield tanking skills. However, I'm just not having much luck, or fun with the Gallente/ Amarr BS's. The Machariel seems to outperform those BS's for mission running/scan sites/ general ratting. (this could also be my inexperience with BS's/not optimal skills.)

Armor Skills:

Armor Layering 3
Armor Resistance Phasing 3
All Armor Compensation Skills lvl 3
Hull Upgrades 4
Mechanics 3
Repair Systems 3

VS my shield skills:
All Shield Compensation skills lvl 2
Shield Emissions Systems 2
Shield management 3
Shield Operation 4
Shield Upgrades 3
Tactical Shield Manipulation 2

Gallente BS lvl 4
Amarr BS lvl 3
(can't fly caldari BS's yet)
Minmatar BS 2

Macharial Fit:

Lows:
Core C-Type Large Armor Repper
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener
Dark Blood Energized Explosive Membrane
Federation Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates
Damage Control 2

Medium Slots:

Core B-Type 100MN Microwarp Drive
2x Cap Recharger 2's
Economist Tracking Computer w/tracking speed script
warp Scrambler 2

High Slots:
7x 800MM Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon 1
Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu

Rigs:

Large Anti-Kinetic Pump 2
Large Anti-Thermic Pump 2
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump 2

104k EHP vs Guritas and Serpentis factions
433 DPS w/faction medium drones

a max tank VS Thermal & Kinetic Damage of about 800
It's cap stable with the Nos unit running. (with the MWD off)

Thoughts and improvements?
Any Advice would be appreciated.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-08-17 16:21:09 UTC
Do we still have web drones in the game?

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#3 - 2014-08-17 16:55:50 UTC
Wow that fit is appalling, firstly, don't fly a 1bil BS without proper skills (at least T2 guns and T2 tank, level IV gunnery support and level IV BS skills). Secondly, 430 dps from a Mach is absolutely pathetic, T1 cruisers can put out that much dps.

The reason you're not having any fun/luck with the other BS is that your skills are simply not enough to effectively fly a BS, fly something smaller while you train up your skills, using a more expensive ship is not the way. That being said, if I have to fit a PvE armor Mach I'd go for something like this:

[Machariel, PvE Armor]

Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Core C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Heavy Nosferatu II

Large Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II


Garde II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

This has comparable tank and dps to a shield Mach, while being a little slower because of the armor resist rig and slightly less dps because it only has 3 gyrostabs, but slightly better range and slightly better tank. It does 1240dps with faction ammo, to give you an idea how bad the dps on your Mach is getting you're basically using the ship at less than a third of it's potential.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-08-17 17:18:28 UTC
Sky Kensa wrote:


104k EHP vs Guritas and Serpentis factions
433 DPS w/faction medium drones

a max tank VS Thermal & Kinetic Damage of about 800
It's cap stable with the Nos unit running. (with the MWD off)

Thoughts and improvements?
Any Advice would be appreciated.


My thoughts? You're giving stats for PVE and posting a PVP (i think?) fit since you've got a warp scramble.

My thoughts, go look up mach fits if the above fit posted by dato doesn't appeal to you. And don't mix PVP and PVE.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#5 - 2014-08-17 19:36:50 UTC
t2 shield tank is a 4 DAY SKILL! Go train that, get a t2 shield tank on that, and then get your self some gyros. Stop using deadspace/faction to paper over a lack of skills, as this just makes the inevitable loss of such a pinata even faster.
All relevent support skills 4 is usually considered *the bare minimum* to fly a mach or other pirate battleship.

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Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-08-17 20:26:37 UTC
oh boy.

armor machariels are fine since the tracking enhancer nerf a year ago or so. but as has been stated already, your particular fit is anything but fine. the reasons are numerous and obvious:
- you are using a mix of buffer and active tank. never do that in missions.
- you are not using any damage mods.
- you are using a warp scrambler, damage control and a nosferatu, all three pure pvp modules.
- you are using cap rechargers.
- you are using web drones instead of damage drones.

aside from that, your skills are also not suited for the ship yet. a good rule of thumb is 'have every skill that affects the ship and the fitted modules at 4 or higher'. ignore it and you're asking for trouble.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-17 20:46:44 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:

- you are using web drones instead of damage drones.

Where do you see web drones?

Where do you see any drones?

Stop trolling poor defenseless clueless under trained over rich noobs.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-08-18 00:35:03 UTC
I'm not saying it's appalling that you're flying that ship with those skills but my dog just dropped a deuce on the floor upon entering the room and I can only assume it's because he saw my monitor as he's been perfectly housebroken for 7 years now. I have better Armor tanking skill lvls and I shield tank, not too mention I get better dps out of T1 cruisers (and I'm not even counting my drone dps).

Please step away from the Machariel sir! In fact it's best you aren't flying a BS at all. It isn't the case so much now but Matar style ships used to be extremely skill intensive; split weapon system, some big drone bays, shield and Armor tanking, good Nav skills required. The Mach certainly fits that bill. Just no, this can't be a serious thread can it. I'm gonna go eat my dog's **** to get the bad taste out of my mouth.

Just a bad day to see this as our shift got a lay off today so at least this gave me an opportunity to vent...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-08-18 04:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#10 - 2014-08-18 11:16:30 UTC
IIshira wrote:
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO


I thought i was the only one who got it...
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-08-18 14:09:01 UTC
IIshira wrote:
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO

We are too focused on the trees to see the troll forest.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-08-18 17:45:49 UTC
IIshira wrote:
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO

I'm not constantly on the lookout for "trolls" because I don't feel I lose anything if I "fall" for one. If it even exists.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-08-18 17:50:36 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
IIshira wrote:
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO

I'm not constantly on the lookout for "trolls" because I don't feel I lose anything if I "fall" for one. If it even exists.


You are correct sir... This is one place in Eve you can lose and not really "lose" anything Big smile
stoicfaux
#14 - 2014-08-18 18:27:36 UTC
IIshira wrote:
You guys fell for this...

No way this is real... Has to be a troll

Repair systems 3.... LMAO

Can you explain the joke/troll for my personal edification?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-08-19 20:16:56 UTC
No thanks, would not fly o/
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#16 - 2014-08-19 22:02:38 UTC
I'd gank it.

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Rena Monachica
Capital Hot Rods
#17 - 2014-08-19 22:19:11 UTC
At least the Damage Control II is a good idea. Wouldn´t fly a deadspace-fitted pirate BS without it

but a 400 dps machariel .. Shocked get the skills for a Tech2 tank and then minmatar battleship and the gunnery support skills to IV. That is Motion Prediction, Sharpshooter, Rapid Firing, Surgical Strike and Trajectory Analysis. Controlled Bursts you dont need with projectile turrets

The mach also benefits from good navigation skills, so do not neglect that. And go for Tech2 guns after covering the basics