Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's going to take time to get through all this. Forgive me if i'm repeating anything. I'll edit later, if necessary.

It seems the real problem here is the projection of military force and response times, and a solution that can help this without hindering industry/logistics.

Can't we try to limit the amount of JB a single alliance can have, say three. Force a titan to commit to jumping also with any fleet cyno it lights in transmitting subcaps with little risk to the Titan.

This way, it would not hurt haulers and make a small dent in subcap hot drops while respecting the amount of time players have invested in being able to commit a fleet of capitals to any given fight.

+maybe increase the fitting requirements of a cyno field generator to cruiser sized pg.

It's not as drastic as this proposed change, but it would be a small change with great effect until a long term solution is found.

But those changes are not about killing cfc or n3.
They are not about killing blobs or gigantic fights.
Nor about making smaller alliances untouchable in their space.

Read previous posts.
Goals:
- have more fun ( every one states that nullsec is booring now , and ony ting you can get is a tidi fight)
- more small scale conflicts (without constant - 50 motherships on grid - more conflicts will be possible )
- no more empty space , just small independent groups moving there (space that you dont use will be easily conquerable by any one )
- more dedication to your deployments and space you take ( taking space will be easier after changes people suggest - the real issue is to hold it , as you need to live in this space. When you deploy, no jump/ deathclone jumps to your home space , alts will be a must )
- less hotdrops and (super)capital dependency (20 mothership hotdrop on t1 cruiser in lowsec , CCP ... )
- and more

Sorry but it will do it.

For example 2 titans allow to relocate 2-3 full fleets across 3 regions in a matter of minutes.

So we are talking about 700+ players crossing 2-3 regions ( let say 60 jumps ) in 5 minutes, doing 2 jumps.

Without this ability they will have to do those 60 jumps, and moving 700 people across 2-3 regions by gates is around 1 hour at least , and we are talking about going one way.

Tell me, how often people will want to spend 2 hours just to move and return , after attending some timer?
What is also important , without possibility to relocate fast across the map, creating few timers forces defender to choose the one really important.

Something that is not working now properly, are titan bridges, and jump bridges that allow one fleet to attend all timers at the same time.
How?
You only send handful of ships to each timer capable of pumping some structure and provide base tackle , while core of your fleet just sit on titan waiting where someone could escalate.
If someone will escalate, cyno chain, midpoint titans, and whole fleet (s) will be on place before enemy could inflict any serious damage or clear the tackle.

So like you see , limiting jump bridges , titan bridges , jump range , will have extreme impact on eve battlefield , and sov map.
You will not be able to defend a region sitting 2-3 regions away, even defending a constellation in a region could be an issue, when you are not in this constellation.
While going by gates , someone can bomb you, catch stranglers , slow you down, prepare traps or just wait on your fleet 1 jump before the timer guarding the gate.

... and thats the whole point.
You will have to be closer , to places you want to hold.
Holding half of galaxy will no longer be possible on current base assumption: " We can move our forces to one timer from half of the galaxy. Fleets will go 1 hour before the op. "

On the same assumption all r64 are held by big blocks.
You can save any tower while sitting any where in universe, the only thing what you need is cyno chain and 15min before the timer.

Like i stated the goal is not to kill goons, or NCPL , but bring more variety to nullsec , and bring some ease to lowsec.
Something that EVE really needs now.

There is nothing wrong about big blocks, there is nothing wrong about hot drops, dropping as third on two other fighting groups , taking other people space, as long as this is bringing some content, as now it is killing it , and blocks ability to create new one.

If war between CFC and N3 will ever happen , what it will bring ?
Fights : Yes
Fun : yes
Reason to login?: for a while

Why?
How many times you can fight in the same setup, the same gang, in TIDI 10% ( real 0.5%) for 7 hours.

I think EVE is not about ~THIS~ kind of commitment , and big bloob fights are grate until they are not something common.
Especially that most of those 10% TIDI fights , are simple stand off and blue balls , that discourage more and more players from logging in.

It would make it a hell of a lot hard to fight on two (or more) fronts though.

Nah, we have the manpower to fight on 3 fronts and still have enough people left over to interdict empire space, raise all kinds of hell on hostile POS networks and run home defence ops.

You have to remember that our enemies would be in the same situation as us in regards to being slowed down by any nerfs to power projection so nothing would change, just the speed at which it happens.

Yes, we did this the other day.


We have sigs stationed much closer and we also have these things called jump clones. We don't have to.


Nothing in what you put would stop us from continuing to own what we currently own.

I agree that Power Projection and speediness thereof is not what created two large blocs.

What created that was the sov mechanic that in order to gain or defend sov, you need to be in a certain system with as much power as possible at three, maybe four very distinct points of time, which are known ahead of time about two days earlier.

This means that a larger group will always prevail against a smaller group if it wishes. A smaller group will almost never ever challenge a larger group because it has next to no chance of winning even a single system.

And this means that any group will chew up as much space over time as is available (not: as they need or want) UNTIL it meets a foe of equal or greater power. Against a foe of greater power, it falls back and loses its systems to them. Only against a foe of equal size will it prevail.

So we were destined to have only one or two superpowers.

The only nerf to power projection that would change this would be one that prevented a group from travelling to a contested system within four days' time (shield and armor timer cycles of the relevant structures). You would even have to restrict gate travel in some way, or make the universe in fact A LOT bigger.

Therefore, to allow smaller groups a part in sov, you need to find a mechanic in which absolute size is not the only decisive element.

One would be to allow almost instant sov changes so that small groups could execute surprise takeovers - not good because sov would be like a ping pong match between three or more teams, at a speed as if all all of them were Chinese.

Another would be to require the sov holder to not only be there for the one, two or three decisive battles, but practically for the majority of the time. Occupancy based. Then, a large group could only spread out as long as their relative size compared to number of systems is larger than their neighbours'. Unused areas of space would quickly be occupied by people who actually want to live there and who actually WILL live there.

And that, my friends, is the gist of the matter.

But if the goal is to decrease response times and further regionalizing/localizing 0.0 activity... that absolutely would be fixed with a nerf to power projection.

In conjunction with other changes, it may not be possible to cross all of eve with a blob to stop whatever you don't want happening. More than one event occurring would require choosing or splitting forces, not killing two birds with one fleet.

You're right it would make it easier to defend wherever that fleet is, but I don't think he suggested it wouldn't be. Conversely, it would make it easier for anyone else to defend (to a degree).

I don't think you've thought this through very well,
or you're just convinced there's only one way to view the discussion (you're right, everyone else is wrong)

Jumpclone every 24 hours. Timers last around 2 days.

We have the time.