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Mr Chili Palmer

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#21 - 2014-08-17 00:15:22 UTC

ok everyone cheers for the replies and advice, now got my shopping to do :)

1 last question if for example while doing worlds collide i activated the bastion module at the warp in point would i aggro both side's of rats?

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NIFTYGetAtMe School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 26	#22 - 2014-08-17 00:17:18 UTC WC first room is the only mission I can think of that justifies Cruise Missiles. Activate and aggro away. You are in a Golem. "Tanking" isn't something you need to over-concern yourself with.

Chainsaw Plankton

FaDoyToy

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#23 - 2014-08-17 01:52:02 UTC

stoicfaux wrote:

OP's fit is poo. Use this for level 4s: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4450779 With 4 TPs, you can one-shot non-elite NPC cruisers.

If the MSB is disconcerting, then you can fit an XL shield booster.

[Golem, Level 4 Cruise]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x3
Salvage Drone I x7

the medium booster is perfect as you can just leave it running and if you do DC you will very likely be alive when you come back, An XL booster and you will either have it off and thus have no tank, or on and you cap out, but either way you probably come back dead.

My golem has missile velocity rigs from back in the day where torp fits were standard, and I don't really feel like ripping out t2 rigs. but they have a huge bonus of making it so your missiles go very fast and you don't have to count volleys out to 100km or so. maybe it is worth dropping a painter for a sensor booster or prop mod, maybe not, I don't have a missile spreadsheet.

the only other option I'd consider would be adding in a t2 rof rig and droping a BCU for a damage control, and that is really only if you are paranoid about gankers. You gain a few dps, but lose a bit of volley damage.

[Golem, cruise hbt]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Bastion Module I

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Hobgoblin II x5

VS torps, well maybe worth having torps in station or with mobile depot, but Javs suck, and rage are a bit limited. Perfect for structure bashing, and perhaps a few missions, but I wouldn't use them too much I don't think.

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IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#24 - 2014-08-17 03:56:34 UTC

stoicfaux wrote:

+1 to this fit. This with T2 rigs, -1 TP, a sensor booster, and XL SB is what I fly.

Most people want to bling the tank of a Golem. Totally unnecessary since you're not going to be taking much damage at 100km. You'll just become a loot pinata.

As for those suggusting torp Golem... A few years ago I would have laughed if you suggusted a cruise missile Golem but today it's the best choice IMO. The only time torps have an advantage is within 31 km using rage torps. Even then it's debatable as to how much of that "more DPS" is actually applied. Past 31 km cruise missiles do more DPS.

Vinyl 41

AdVictis

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#25 - 2014-08-17 05:12:13 UTC

a fit i was recently using

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Bastion Module I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Celthric Kanerian

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#26 - 2014-08-17 13:10:05 UTC

Mr Chili Palmer wrote:

I have returned to running lvl 4 missions and want a golem. i have tengu's and cnr's and drakes, but at this moment in time i want a Golem.
Now there are not very many fitted ones in eve contracts ( 7 ) so i am debating about buying the hull and fitting it myself. It is going to be used for lvl4 missions in high sec (pve) and i want to salvage as i go ( for what it's worth ).
With regard to the fitting i am thinking along these lines below, the ship will be carrying am MTU. Is the below fit about right or is it overkill with bling modules? any alternative fitting suggestions welcome. Budget is roughly 1.5bil

[Golem, Bastion Salvage]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Salvager II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x10

Replace one of the salvagers with a tractor beam so you don't have to wait for your ******** MTU to bring your Mission objective item, also replace one of the BCU II's with another Faction BCU.

Val'Dore

PlanetCorp InterStellar

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#27 - 2014-08-17 13:31:40 UTC

The Golem is the Cadillac of mission running. Everything works so well you don't even have to put any effort into it. Sometimes I'll MJD straight into the heart of the Red Cross just to feel like I might have a chance at losing it.

My exact fit is G-14 Classified, but this is the general idea:

4x Cruise II; Probes; Tractor; Bastion; Whatever else you like (I salvage with drones, less hassle)
PWNAGE x2; MJD; 3 slot tank; Whatever you want (I tend to put something for pvp here)
DCS; BCU II x3

Rigor II; Flare II

Golem is one of those ships you can fit for pvp and still mission without much loss of efficacy.

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Mr Chili Palmer

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#28 - 2014-08-17 14:06:57 UTC

Well this is the work in progress :-

[Golem, Golum]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Cruise Missile)
Bastion Module I
3x Salvager I

2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
2x Republic Fleet Target Painter
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

2x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II

5635x Inferno Cruise Missile
4164x Scourge Cruise Missile

please for now ignore the t1 ammo, I have quite alot of this lying round so just using that up, also ignore the t1 rigs these were in my hanger so i put them to use till i build up my isk then they will be upgraded to t2. i also used the LMJD so i could keep a good distance away, the golem is quite a slow boat. i have a targeting range of 114km and a missile flight range of 222km. popping frigates is really easy in fact almost boring :)

i bought a large shield booster, but also had a medium one in my hanger so am using that for now purely for cap purpose's. have been out doing lvl 4's world's collide popped up last night this was very easy and all of the other lvl4 missions so far have been a breeze. The only thing that does not work well is the bloody MTU 1 wreck at a time is quite sad, maybe that will improve in an update or something.

For now its time to replenish my isk.

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IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#29 - 2014-08-17 16:06:41 UTC

Mr Chili Palmer wrote:

Looks nice. I prefer 3 TP but I can see where the MWD would come in handy. Even though you have a ton of T1 ammo I would strongly recommend T2 fury missiles on battleships at least because you'll get quite a bit more DPS. T1 missiles will make quick work of frigates.

I don't see the MTU getting more than one tractor beam anytime soon. If they made it too good then no one would use the Noctis. Honestly I don't even bother with mission loot since I would rather be spending time getting more ISK and LP from another mission. I have one T2 tractor beam on my Golem just to pull in mission items.

Mr Chili Palmer

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#30 - 2014-08-17 19:40:40 UTC

1 more thing i need to address is Implants i am currently flying this with a clone, which has no implants, so are there any particular implants i should be looking at to compliment the golem and the cruise missiles?.

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Christopher Mabata Northern Accounts and Systems Likes received: 471	#31 - 2014-08-17 19:44:57 UTC Crystals ( Mid or High Grade ) Synth Crash Booster Synth Blue pill booster Missile implants in slots 7-10 ♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣ This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet

Cipher Jones

The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars

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#32 - 2014-08-17 20:02:47 UTC

Quote:

Most people want to bling the tank of a Golem. Totally unnecessary since you're not going to be taking much damage at 100km. You'll just become a loot pinata.

Why on earth would you be using a marauder at 100km? It would take magnitudes of time longer to clean up the room. Thats a low SP Dominix trick.

As far as implants I listed the CA-1 as the only one on my fit, you need that for the vamp. If you're not running a vamp no problem. I prefer rapid launch, sig radius, and CM bonus.

Another thing to note is that applying one target painter, a web, and 5 drones to frigates, while applying 1 tp and fury missiles to BC's and BS's is the faster than wasting missiles on frigs. Zero volleys is always a faster kill time than 1 or 2.

And the always running pith c medium method is only supplying a 464 omnitank. The fit I listed is 1719 omnitank (overkill i know) but 595 sustainable. So your chances for survival are better after a DC with the gist XL. If you DC with TP's and and salvagers running your sustainable tank drops to around 300 with the medium booster, and around 450 with the XL fit. With the vamp running its around 900 sustainable.

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School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#33 - 2014-08-17 22:31:13 UTC

Christopher Mabata wrote:

BEST GOLEM EVER

http://gyazo.com/a8c9b37718bea7733287c2a5a4fdc33e

Well if you want one that isnt going to die to anything other than alpha that is then go with that fit, Honestly just fit for DPS with really good tank, a target painter and the appropriate drones and youll be fine.

I LOL'd... Not overtanked in the slightest and you can't beat 521 DPS on a Golem...

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James Baboli Warp to Pharmacy Likes received: 1,038	#34 - 2014-08-18 22:52:23 UTC For implants on a golem, unless you intend to go 2 slot tank without going shiny, +5s in slots 1-5 and then the following hardwires at the best % you can afford CM/TD 60x MP 70x GP 80x TN 90x RL 100x Talking more, Flying crazier, And drinking more Making battleships worth the warp

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Chris Winter Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary Likes received: 647	#35 - 2014-08-19 00:32:21 UTC Chainsaw Plankton wrote: ...snip... Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II ...snip... I'm really, really confused as to why you're using rigs that increase missile range with cruise missiles on a ship that can already fling cruise missiles to 200km...

James Baboli

Warp to Pharmacy

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#36 - 2014-08-19 00:36:01 UTC

Chris Winter wrote:

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

*snip*
[should have read]
My golem has missile velocity rigs from back in the day where torp fits were standard, and I don't really feel like ripping out t2 rigs. but they have a huge bonus of making it so your missiles go very fast and you don't have to count volleys out to 100km or so. maybe it is worth dropping a painter for a sensor booster or prop mod, maybe not, I don't have a missile spreadsheet.
[/should have read
...snip...
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
...snip...

I'm really, really confused as to why you're using rigs that increase missile range with cruise missiles on a ship that can already fling cruise missiles to 200km...

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Val'Dore

PlanetCorp InterStellar

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#37 - 2014-08-19 01:22:32 UTC | Edited by: Val'Dore

Cipher Jones wrote:

Quote:

Most people want to bling the tank of a Golem. Totally unnecessary since you're not going to be taking much damage at 100km. You'll just become a loot pinata.

Why on earth would you be using a marauder at 100km? It would take magnitudes of time longer to clean up the room. Thats a low SP Dominix trick.

Some people are above such mundane chores. In EvE, I let my robot MTU clean up after me... much like my robot vacuum cleans up my living room.

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IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#38 - 2014-08-19 01:40:50 UTC | Edited by: IIshira

Val'Dore wrote:

Cipher Jones wrote:

Quote:

Most people want to bling the tank of a Golem. Totally unnecessary since you're not going to be taking much damage at 100km. You'll just become a loot pinata.

Why on earth would you be using a marauder at 100km? It would take magnitudes of time longer to clean up the room. Thats a low SP Dominix trick.

Some people are above such mundane chores. In EvE, I let my robot MTU clean up after me... much like my robot vacuum cleans up my living room.

Same here. I only have one tractor beam on my Golem and it's for the mission item. Loot in some missions is worth it but others it's just a waste of time. I would rather concentrate on getting the mission done and on to the next one.

Also it's against the solo nature of the carebear but let a low skill pilot in your corp loot and salvage. Take a cut of what he gets if you like. This way he's making ISK and being part of the team.

Edit: I also do the Dominix MJD thing when I'm bored. Even with max drone skills it's slower than a marauder.

IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#39 - 2014-08-19 01:46:02 UTC

James Baboli wrote:

Chris Winter wrote:

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

I'm really, really confused as to why you're using rigs that increase missile range with cruise missiles on a ship that can already fling cruise missiles to 200km...

My question would be how does he get out to 100 km at 125 m/s... It has no prop mod.

Cipher Jones

The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars

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#40 - 2014-08-19 03:56:57 UTC | Edited by: Cipher Jones

IIshira wrote:

James Baboli wrote:

Chris Winter wrote:

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

I'm really, really confused as to why you're using rigs that increase missile range with cruise missiles on a ship that can already fling cruise missiles to 200km...

My question would be how does he get out to 100 km at 125 m/s... It has no prop mod.

MJD.

Quote:

Some people are above such mundane chores. In EvE, I let my robot MTU clean up after me... much like my robot vacuum cleans up my living room.

We're talking about using an MTU to begin with.

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