Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think most of the systems are claimed, because you don't want people to hotdrop you with blackops while you do your ratting :D.
The problem with the unused space is, that it is impossible for other entities to do something in them.
The sowner gets an automated message if you put up a POS. I think that is a relict from the days when sov was defined by the POS in a system, but in the current state of sov, it's just free intel for the owner of the system. If you want to know about a new pos in your system, check the moons or build POS on them (and if offline POS generate mails if attacked, remove them as well, to prevent the drop of small towers on every moon).

If small corps/alliances decide to take the risk and do mining or ratting in an unused system, they can drop a small POS in the system. WHs show, that you can live out of a POS without problems. Maybe the tower gets spotted after some time, but this is a case of "risk vs reward".

Yikes. Any 'cap' on gate movement, jumping, etc, will and always will be exploited by whichever side has the alts to do so. Consider that one side will always use fleets to force a gate to its 'cap' just for strategic purposes.

I don't think there will ever be a way to limit how many people go where. The only thing I can think of is that there can be a limit on how fast they get there. IE, nerfing fuel costs, jump range is not the way to go.

I'm still thinking there should be a huge spool up timer BEFORE any cap or supercap can jump anywhere (pilot can activate a module to begin spooling as soon as they undock/log on, so the first jump can be made any time after it has spooled), and that the spool-up time should increase accordingly depending on the amount of TIDI in jump range.

wait a minute. Either the space is useless to you and you don't use it. Or you need all this space to support all your ratters. Which is it?

To break up monolithic sov, like seems to be the general consensus on what the game needs, there must be limits on how large fleets can travel.

Any way to do this will have significant side effects. They can also be mitigated.

Before I make my suggestions my intent is to make large fleets travel separately, not to effect anything about the final destination. Moving a fleet will force them to consider how an enemy might disrupt their jumping as well as current considerations. Everything I say will have an appropriate number that is not decided by me. The numbers that are appropriate should be the subject of debate not the concept itself. My intent is for only the largest fleets to be effected at all though there will always be manipulation of mechanics that will spread the effects elsewhere.

Limited charge on gates/bridges:
Know that regular travel will be effected by the recharge time and large fleet travel will be effected by the capacity. These are entirely separate numbers and can be balanced accordingly.

Limited system jump drive stability:
Putting a solid cap on the number of jumps to a cyno just means more cynos are put in the same place. The effect needs to be system wide. That will then however make the fleet that jumps in first unassailable. I suggest putting the jump in and out limit on the same counter/recharge. This means that while the fleet might be unassailable it also can't move again until the system is fully stabilized. It also means the fleet can't come back to save the stragglers. An attacker can also force the otherwise unbeatable fleet to have stragglers. It can also be held there by single enemies jumping in and out.

A fleet in its final destination could use the same mechanics to keep someone from responding to them while they destroy sov structures. At the same time that fleet will be unable to respond to considerably smaller attackers hitting their own sov. Over all this should contribute to destruction of sov on significant scale.

The exact effects of this are not easily predictable but most of them allow a smaller well timed and placed fleet to do significant damage to a larger one. If they don't time it well the smaller fleet will simply be annihilated, like they would be anyway under current mechanics.

Don't think for a moment that Side G in any conflict won't forcibly make those jumping or gate caps reach their limit to prevent anyone else from moving or responding. Trying to enforce any limit on system population will result in far worse conditions than we have today. You have to assume the players will exploit it to their benefit. Which once again takes us back to the only way you can effectively make a change is to limit how fast caps/supers move. Not where. Not how many.

Edit: I actually like all of snotshots suggestions regarding sov changes...but I still think something must be done about how caps can move so fast across eve.

I like the idea that you can jump inside of a constilation but you have to use a stargate to get between constilations and regions... the gates are larger then regular ones so that can cover the PR thing.

example of how this would change things is look at staging systems... they are chosen because they are withing jumping range of all the fights...

or in other words you cant jump from TNN to sagain anymore... if you want to go to stain you have to go the long way.

NO but its part of the solution... I dont like how in the op you can only jump next door. i think constalation only jumping would help.

that couppled with other factors of "occupation" based sov ofcoarse.

I have a prediction: Step 1 will be to greatly decrease sov structure EHP in systems with low indexes. Maybe make player-built stations destructible too. Step 2 will be support systems (corp roles, structures, POS etc as per Seagull's slide). Step 3 will be Sov 2.0 with player built gates and all the rest.

I think CCP understands the urgency and already have a plan for the next 12-18 months. But they won't make us wait that long without any changes at all. They will lead with tweaks designed to start shifting the player mindset in preparation for the eventual changes.

Come on Fozzie, 'fess up.

Nerfing jump range does nothing to stop the current ****** affairs of null and infact makes it even worse for the small players (good luck getting supplies to the far corners of EVE).

Coming to this conversation late, but as to the OP's suggestion of removing jump drives, altogether, I'd say no. I'd put them in more ships - even as small as a frigate. Of course I'd limit the range and make fuel more available, too. The bigger ships that have jump drives now I'd give jump bridges and keep their jump drives, but across the board I'd reduce jump range. The stargate network would be a way to avoid fuel costs, but not the only means of transportation.