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Anslo
Scope Works
#161 - 2014-08-15 17:39:28 UTC
Oh, so EVERYONE in the State is civilized and not a nut job murderer? Cause I'm pretty sure that's demonstratively false.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#162 - 2014-08-15 17:42:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Do you think you'll get a knock on the door and a pair of officers will arrive to escort you to jail? Does anyone do that when you opt to destroy a jetcan full of people in space, literally right outside the same station? Why do you think that is?


Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#163 - 2014-08-15 17:45:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Your stations are scary and you are scary. I think I'll stick with the stations where I can't arbitrarily go and kill people in the hangars they provide.


That would be NONE of the stations. Believe me. You have extraterritoriality, you are an island to yourself with powers plenipotentiary. If someone is in your hangar and you want that person dead, you have only to order it.

Do you think you'll get a knock on the door and a pair of officers will arrive to escort you to jail? Does anyone do that when you opt to destroy a jetcan full of people in space, literally right outside the same station? Why do you think that is?


Because station managers don't manage anything outside the station? You can keep claiming what you want, but I know my interaction with my hangars are limited to what I've explained. There's no way for me to do otherwise. If other people in other stations do things differently, it's no business of mine.

I can't even enter my hangar, other than administrate it remotely.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#164 - 2014-08-15 18:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
You have crews though, right? And don't get me started on all the other things I can do that don't have a button on the Neocom.

Next thing you'll be telling me I don't have access to the gym. Or the restaurants on the Capsuleer deck. Or my home in the Nonni system. You'll be telling me I can't hop a shuttle planetside.

There's more to the Cluster than your computer interface, Jinny.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#165 - 2014-08-15 18:08:42 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Do you think you'll get a knock on the door and a pair of officers will arrive to escort you to jail? Does anyone do that when you opt to destroy a jetcan full of people in space, literally right outside the same station? Why do you think that is?


Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.


Not arguing against that, Sammi, just wondering why Jinari lives in the fantasy that she is bound by Baseliner law, when it is patently not the case.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#166 - 2014-08-15 18:20:45 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.

Agreed. Thankfully some of us make an attempt to offset it in what ways we can.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Not arguing against that, Sammi, just wondering why Jinari lives in the fantasy that she is bound by Baseliner law, when it is patently not the case.

It is a matter of location, in most cases, whether you have the choice to be bound by them or not. And many of us choose to be bound by those laws, when and where it is appropriate.

But within the confines of our own stationside facilities, no - we are not bound in any such fashion.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Celes Tenebrae
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#167 - 2014-08-15 18:32:09 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.


I wonder what your basis for comparison is.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#168 - 2014-08-15 18:42:35 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
It is a matter of location, in most cases, whether you have the choice to be bound by them or not. And many of us choose to be bound by those laws, when and where it is appropriate.


So the question, Morwen, is whether you think Naupilus chooses to be bound by Amarrian law?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#169 - 2014-08-15 18:43:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You have crews though, right? And don't get me started on all the other things I can do that don't have a button on the Neocom.

Next thing you'll be telling me I don't have access to the gym. Or the restaurants on the Capsuleer deck. Or my home in the Nonni system. You'll be telling me I can't hop a shuttle planetside.

There's more to the Cluster than your computer interface, Jinny.


I haven't told you that you don't have access to anything, love. Where you can and can't go is up to whoever runs wherever you are, not me. I'm just telling you what the stations I use allow me to do or in this case, don't allow me to do. I think it's rather sensible by the station managers in question, given what you people give examples of doing wherever you guys live or dock.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#170 - 2014-08-15 18:53:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
It is a matter of location, in most cases, whether you have the choice to be bound by them or not. And many of us choose to be bound by those laws, when and where it is appropriate.


So the question, Morwen, is whether you think Naupilus chooses to be bound by Amarrian law?

I think the answer to that question is self-evident: No.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Darsena Izuma
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2014-08-15 18:54:00 UTC
It's more than just our own hangars. I think most station managers are fairly hands-off when it comes to what goes on in corporate offices as well. I once ran a mission for a corporation (which will remain nameless) that needed a former employee returned to them (said employee had absconded with some proprietary information.) As far as the law was concerned, this man might have been liable financially for breaking a non-disclosure agreement, but certainly nothing that law enforcement would have detained him for. My detaining the man, and handing him over someone else as a prisoner was, theoretically, a violation of his rights under the law, yet not a word of protest was uttered by CONCORD or the local police when I jumped into the system, or by station management when I brought the man into my hangar and handed him over to the official representative of the corporation. I never asked what was going to become of this man now that he was in corporate custody, and neither did the station management. What happens within our hangars stays within our hangars, and you'd be safe to assume that the same holds true for any privately owned facilities inside most stations.

Fedo are not what they seem to be.  Welcome to Night Vale.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#172 - 2014-08-15 20:14:06 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You have crews though, right? And don't get me started on all the other things I can do that don't have a button on the Neocom.

Next thing you'll be telling me I don't have access to the gym. Or the restaurants on the Capsuleer deck. Or my home in the Nonni system. You'll be telling me I can't hop a shuttle planetside.

There's more to the Cluster than your computer interface, Jinny.


I haven't told you that you don't have access to anything, love. Where you can and can't go is up to whoever runs wherever you are, not me. I'm just telling you what the stations I use allow me to do or in this case, don't allow me to do. I think it's rather sensible by the station managers in question, given what you people give examples of doing wherever you guys live or dock.



I think I'd prefer to live in your world, where we were bound by outside laws, customs and conventions, to be honest. It sounds like a nicer, saner and more responsible place.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#173 - 2014-08-15 21:04:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Love you like a brother Tuulinen...but you're just plain scary sometimes.


I'd have different words for it. Fear they're NSFIGS.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Anslo
Scope Works
#174 - 2014-08-15 21:06:32 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Love you like a brother Tuulinen...but you're just plain scary sometimes.


I'd have different words for it. Fear they're NSFIGS.


...NSFIGS? After all the other **** that shows up? Come on.

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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#175 - 2014-08-16 01:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nauplius
For the record, I do not perform slave sacrifices inside the hanger itself, but do perform small to moderately-sized sacrifices aboard my Ashimmu-class flagship. Being a Blood Raider design, this Ashimmu is equipped with onboard blooding facilities, as all Blood Raider vessels down to the Hematos are equipped for the blooding of those captured on the spot. The slaves having been blooded, the blood-drained corpses are then disposed of via the Trash It interface.

For the large scale slaughter of filthy Minmatar subhumans where preservation of blood is not possible or desired and my cruiser-sized blooding facilities insufficient, I prefer to pack the slaves into freight containers, Industrials, or a Freighter and destroy them in space (the latter two containers create a permanent record of the God-glorifying event).
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2014-08-16 01:35:31 UTC
Why would the Lord need records from CONCORD?

He does not, of course.

I am curious as what it is exactly that you are trying to show, to whom, and why.

But you need not answer in public.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#177 - 2014-08-16 02:12:01 UTC
I think it's interesting how Nauppie's evil doings have the rest of us at each others throats. Kudos to him for that, I guess. Personally I think we need to just point and web him then sing songs about love and tolerance over every channel untill he repents his evil ways. And then do the same to all of his threads on the IGS.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#178 - 2014-08-16 04:21:35 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
I think it's interesting how Nauppie's evil doings have the rest of us at each others throats. Kudos to him for that, I guess. Personally I think we need to just point and web him then sing songs about love and tolerance over every channel untill he repents his evil ways. And then do the same to all of his threads on the IGS.


I favour converting him to debris. Why not? It won me a holiday skiing for a week, tonight.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2014-08-16 04:47:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Below is just one safe and legal way to dispose of a prisoner within a capsuleer hangar. I have never used this myself, but I understand that nobody will give you any grief if you do.

In addition, it should be noted that Naupilus has a habit of getting is slaves on Vitoc and maintaining discipline with shock collars, armed guards, beatings, slaver hounds and a system whereby slaves can inform on each other for benefits. I would, quite literally, prefer immediate and painful death to living a life like that, with the only end being my brutal and bloody sacrifice on an altar.

I respect you a great deal, Jinny, but you're just plain wrong here, girl.

Firing Squad Details.

Service personnel, five, rifle qualified.
Service personnel, one, SNCO or Officer rank.
Service rifle, five.
Service pistol, one.
Rifle Ammunition, orbital anti-personnel, four.
Rifle Ammunition, orbital blank training, one.
Pistol Ammunition, orbital anti-personnel, thirty.
Tether field, human, one.
Blindfold, black, one.
Armbands, black, six..
Capshades, black, six.
Defaulter Fatigue jumpsuit, black, one.
Cloth patch, white, one.

Defaulter is dressed in Defaulter Fatigue Jumpsuit. White cloth patch is pinned to chest, over heart. Firing squad add black armbands to uniform. Firing squad and leader wear black capshades. Firing Squad collect pre-loaded rifles. Squad leader collects preloaded pistol.

Yellow firing squad line is painted on ground. Tether field is assembled twenty meters from firing squad line. Firing squad leader takes position by firing squad line. Prisoner is marched out to Tether field and attached. Prisoner is offered blindfold. Firing Squad march in, take position on firing squad line.

Firing squad present arms. Firing squad take aim at cloth patch. Firing squad fire.

Squad leader proceeds to Defaulter and checks for signs of life. If signs of life present, squad leader fires two rounds from pistol into defaulters head. Firing squad march off. Squad leader remains with body until body detail collect body of defaulter for disposal.


This is pretty elaborate. For criminals that the authorities, for some reason, do not want back and already has a history of being unrepentant, we just threw them out of the airlock.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#180 - 2014-08-16 05:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Elmund Egivand wrote:


This is pretty elaborate. For criminals that the authorities, for some reason, do not want back and already has a history of being unrepentant, we just threw them out of the airlock.


For Blood Raiders, such as the OP, I remember from my pre-capsuleer days that the authorities, after interrogating them as to other secret members of their cult, used to burn them at the stake on a bonfire. The ashes simply blew away, scattered, and dissipated to the winds.