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PvP a hassle

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Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-08-15 20:28:27 UTC
I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do.

I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs.

I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI.

Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation?
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#2 - 2014-08-15 20:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
EVE has all sorts of different groups, playing all kinds of PVP.

A change is as good as the rest...

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Collie Buddz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-15 20:31:58 UTC
Nope, that sounds like an awful way to play Eve to me. To each their own.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-08-15 20:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Make alt, go do FW, stay on comms with your corp in case something interesting happens.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#5 - 2014-08-15 20:33:08 UTC
Look to lowsec. Lowsec is love. Lowsec is life. Also, FW and WH are pretty solid.

Nulsec is dulsec if you aren't a PvE-oriented renter or in Catch. Maybe NPC nulsec.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.

Clyde ElectraGlide
Emara Entertainment Inc.
#6 - 2014-08-15 20:37:13 UTC
The way you're describing nullsec coalition PVP makes it seem like you're not having a lot of fun doing it. Why not just leave them and join something where you would find more fun PVP opportunities, like FW, pirating, or living in NPC nullsec? You shouldn't have to sacrifice fun for ISK generation.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-08-15 20:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Otuk Andven wrote:
I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do.

I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs.

I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI.

Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation?


Yes there are. Being in the situation most likely means you either weren't properly prepared to live in null (living in null is like being a Pre-Marian Roman soldier, you need to own some land and have some money before you enlist lol) or (maybe and) it means your allaince is crappy at taking care of it's members. A null corp/allaince is supposed to help it's people live and fight in null, if it doesn't, time to move on.

It also sounds like fleet fights aren't you thing but you like small gang, a low sec pirate alliance or faction warfare would probably make you a lot happier.

Me, while I'm not a super dedicated pvp type, i like fleet fights and despite my bad luck (why oh WHY did I make a pvp main with a name that starts with a C, also screw enemy FCs why use the alphabet for target calling) I keep coming back. I should get "F1 Monkey" tattoo'd on my left ass cheek or something.

EDIT: Protip for the OP, when the 1st 5 replies say the same thing, that means you probably should spent more time thinking about your problem before posting about it as you might have figured it out yourself Cool
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2014-08-15 20:39:20 UTC
as stated it sounds like you need a change of scenery.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2014-08-15 20:44:23 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Make alt, go do FW, stay on comms with your corp in case something interesting happens.

I liked it cuz its true. This a million times over. Can be done with FW, incursions, L4s, hell even mining.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Arla Sarain
#10 - 2014-08-15 20:48:00 UTC
FW isn't much different.

Except instead of 50j you fly less. But the procedure is the same. Roam around to find a fight that you hope won't end up in you getting blobbed.
On the plus side, you don't get podded as often.
On the minus side, you now need to go back those odd 10j in a pod.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-08-15 21:05:45 UTC
Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-08-15 21:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Otuk Andven
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
join something where you would find more fun PVP opportunities, like FW, pirating, or living in NPC nullsec? You shouldn't have to sacrifice fun for ISK generation.


you know what's worse? I don't think I've ever experienced any real fun from pvp. Perhaps its the fact I generally lose it and end up wasting money or a lack of a big kick but it has never really clicked with me.

I really want to do combat sites but I can never get a ship that can do them or someone runs it faster than me.

Arla Sarain wrote:
FW isn't much different.

Except instead of 50j you fly less. But the procedure is the same. Roam around to find a fight that you hope won't end up in you getting blobbed.
On the plus side, you don't get podded as often.
On the minus side, you now need to go back those odd 10j in a pod.


its better than 70 jumps to get back into the action.

And no bubbles, I hate bubbles.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-15 21:30:24 UTC
The more I live in null, the more I realize how terrible this game is, at it's core. That being said, I will likely never leave null again. Eve itself just does nothing for me. It's the people I fly with that keep me enjoying it all. I spend far more time on forums, and Jabber than I do actually playing Eve when I am logged in.

If you aren't having fun in null, it's probably because you are either in an alliance that's full of shitlords, or you are just looking for something very different than myself. 50/50, flip a coin.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2014-08-15 21:36:09 UTC
Otuk Andven wrote:
I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do.

I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs.

I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI.

Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation?




Sounds like you are in an alliance with crap tactics, a "throw ships into a meat grinder" approach and then expect you to pay for your own ships.

Leave them. There are better organizations out there.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#15 - 2014-08-15 21:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Otuk Andven wrote:
you know what's worse? I don't think I've ever experienced any real fun from pvp. Perhaps its the fact I generally lose it and end up wasting money or a lack of a big kick but it has never really clicked with me.

I really want to do combat sites but I can never get a ship that can do them or someone runs it faster than me.


So you don't like what you do now and you know what you want to do. Where's dilemma in all this? Last time I checked "leave corp" button was accessible to everybody.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#16 - 2014-08-15 22:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Yeah, leave that predicament you are in right now and take it out on people in lowsec, we welcome your anger.Lol

You are not getting kills and this is frustrating. We have all been there while learning the ropes. If the group you play with sets you up for dissapointment, leave. If the environmental factors bother you, change the scenery. I for one started solo with PVP and that was hard, but very satisfying because I did it on my own, with a wiki and my heard-earned ISK as only mentors.

The patch of land Jenn mentioned can be compared to your experience in PVP. If you have some, it will be easier to discern if a group does the kind of PVP you'd like. I don't like huge coalition stuff either, but sometimes I get asked to FC for a bigger lowsec group which I find a decent challenge and a lot of fun, although it is very draining at times... so moderation is key. Apart from those occasions I prefer small gangs, and even solo roams as long as there's someone to talk to on TS and share KM's with.

Just chillin', shooting at some bad guys. Or good guys. Or everybody. Pirate
Serene Repose
#17 - 2014-08-15 23:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Yeah, it shocks and amazes "some" people (though far from "all" people.) Not everybody enjoys fighting as a "game." EVE, or "games" are supposed to be fun, so doing something that's not fun to you...need a map?

What's funny is, the some people who are shocked and amazed by this insist their point of view is the only one, and if you're not fighting to have your fun you can't possibly be having fun. (Ironically, what's considered the MOST fun thing to do involves not fighting as well...but that's another website.)

Then, I've been involved in organized competition most of my life (one reason I find fighting in video games rather dull and inconsequential) and having done so don't feel compelled to clash with pixels. I guess the real fact no actual blood is being spilt takes all the possibility of fun out of it for me.

"It's just pixels. It's not real." I had a stint with chess for about 14 years. We're sitting at this table staring at this board with pieces...if someone said, "Those pieces aren't really real so nothing is actually being LOST here..." Well. "Some" of us can see how ridiculous that would sound.

Believe it or not, some people might find EVE just isn't any fun. Go figure. Are they "supposed" to? However a point the OP makes has nothing to do with any of that. I've been in a few corps. "Hurry up and wait" achieves new meaning with EVE, probably because the "people in charge" just purely suck at organization. Also, your "team mates" don't generally understand what being a team mate means.

You get to where you're supposed to be, and it's "I'm refitting." Or, "I'm finding ammo." Or, "I'm taking my dog out." A lot of people will claim, "Well, that's just EVE." I say "they suck." Being where you're supposed to be, with what you're supposed to have ready to do what you're supposed to do is a set of concepts lost on quite a few people in this arena. Takes the fun right out of it.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2014-08-15 23:28:32 UTC
There is a reason I refuse to join any 0.0 corp. Between the hassle of logistics to draconian directives from the leadership, it just does not suit me.
Drunken low-sec Leeroying is much more my style.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#19 - 2014-08-15 23:33:49 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
"Hurry up and wait" achieves new meaning with EVE, probably because the "people in charge" just purely suck at organization. Also, your "team mates" don't generally understand what being a team mate means.



You just summed up life in the military.

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http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

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Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#20 - 2014-08-15 23:57:49 UTC
To echo the above posts, if you want pick-up-and-play PvP in EVE, FW supplies it to a degree that I wouldn't believe was possible had I not done it myself.

Just fit something frigate-sized, fly around a bit, and you'll find fights.

At least it was that way 6 months ago.

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