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Gurista Ships

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Nova Alar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-08-13 21:41:38 UTC
They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-08-13 22:39:22 UTC
This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2014-08-13 22:42:07 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.

Exactly.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#4 - 2014-08-13 23:34:43 UTC
Agreed with the first poster, if i pay 200m+ for a frigate i want something worth what i just spent.
Same goes for a faction battleship or cruiser, theyre designed to be better for a reason

If you can't beat em' join em'

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Marcuis
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2014-08-14 00:19:10 UTC
I agree with the others, pay the isk for a ship then has to be worth what you pay on that note, they dont need to change them for once Gurista ships are now usefull

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Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#6 - 2014-08-14 01:39:17 UTC
OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#7 - 2014-08-14 01:47:00 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.


Comparing the worm, rattler, and Gila to the old day titans is like going from "across the pond" kind of a stretch to "jumped 8 and a half buses on a rocket propelled peddal bike blindfolded" kind of stretch.

The old school titans were WAY too OP but it was also because nothing of the sort had been conceived before in EvE, they were the first attempt at creating true "Flagships" for fleets, and have since been reduced. Where as these ships do have other stepping stools to go off of. In truth sure you get far more DPS out of these ships than MOST other ships but there are still ships than can outperform them and they still die like anything else.

in fact their biggest weakness is their drones, which once dead eliminate 70% of their Damage Application. A worm without drones is just an expensive painted hawk. A Gila without drones is a really bad Moa. And a rattler may as well just be a tanky scorpion with no jams.

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Elly Alfarius
OEG
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-08-14 11:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elly Alfarius
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Agreed with the first poster, if i pay 200m+ for a frigate i want something worth what i just spent.
Same goes for a faction battleship or cruiser, theyre designed to be better for a reason

If you can't beat em' join em'


Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#9 - 2014-08-14 13:58:27 UTC
Cost is calculated by player. Mineral costs aren't all that different for pirate and T1 (in fact it's more expensive to make t2 crusiers i believe).

If something is OP, it's cost is irrelevant.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#10 - 2014-08-14 14:37:10 UTC
Elly Alfarius wrote:

Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?


Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-08-14 14:43:55 UTC
Elly Alfarius wrote:
Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?


Because organized navies from vast, stable, economic powerhouses with all of the education systems, scientists, and resources in the world to research and test and develop weapon systems and ships, can't hold a candle to a motley crew of social rejects who are hiding out in a hole they carved out of an asteroid.

I guess....reasons?

Pirate vessels are nicely powerful vessels a tier above their siblings. Just forget where they come from and put them to good use.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-08-14 15:27:26 UTC
Because getting a pirate ship requires getting a BPC drop in low/null or running pirate missions in null while getting a navy ship requires running missions in hisec. This means that pirate ships need to be better than navy ships or nobody would bother going through the effort needed to get them.

game design/balance > realism
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#13 - 2014-08-14 17:42:40 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.

Yeah, should have clarified.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2014-08-14 20:13:49 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Cost is calculated by player. Mineral costs aren't all that different for pirate and T1 (in fact it's more expensive to make t2 crusiers i believe).

If something is OP, it's cost is irrelevant.


So quit comparing apples to Lamborghinis.

They aren't OP compared to the other Pirate ships.

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are serious business sir.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2014-08-15 11:23:46 UTC
And to think people whined that they were not powerful enough.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-08-15 11:46:34 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.


Whilst this is true, the worm (and to a lesser extent gila) are a bit....out there. Rattlesnake not so much due to inherent BS hassles but it's still a mean son of a ....

However, I'm hard pressed to think of something that is going to have a good time vs a worm (garmur excepted). Too much DPS/Tank/Range rolled into one ball.


That said, I have many worms so long live the worm Blink
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#17 - 2014-08-15 12:48:39 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Elly Alfarius wrote:
Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?


Because organized navies from vast, stable, economic powerhouses with all of the education systems, scientists, and resources in the world to research and test and develop weapon systems and ships, can't hold a candle to a motley crew of social rejects who are hiding out in a hole they carved out of an asteroid.

Ignoring the balance aspects I feel I have to point out that many of the weapons, vehicles and so forth used by the great armies and navies of the world... Were originally designed by some eccentric in a shed...Blink
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-08-15 14:10:16 UTC
Jesus, stop whining already. When the Guristas ships were changed everybody were whining how underpowered they now were, now people are whining the opposite.

Besides, what did you lose?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#19 - 2014-08-15 19:02:38 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Jesus, stop whining already. When the Guristas ships were changed everybody were whining how underpowered they now were, now people are whining the opposite.

Besides, what did you lose?


Its funny because the mining community cried about how hard it was to survive a gank so CCP buffed the procurer and skiff, now they cry about the fleets of skiffs drinking away all the ore and ice in relative safety or the bait skiffs that kill their combat ships. Its like a bad circle of life.

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Nova Alar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-08-15 20:03:30 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.


No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo.
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