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Noob Miner

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Oz Hilanen
Hellbound Turkeys
#1 - 2014-08-15 00:26:21 UTC
Hi all,

I've only been playing for less than a month and I'm currently developing my mining skills. I have a Procurer, 5 Mining I drones and 5 Worrior I light scout drones for defence, and a strip minining I laser.

I've benn messing around in 0.5+ space for a while, making about 1.8 million ISK per run buy just filling up my hold with the more common ores and selling them local. My mining drone and Light drone skills are both at level 4 and I'm working on getting them to level 5 so I can invest in Miner II drones and Class II light drones.

Given this setup, how capable would I be of defending myslelf in lower sec space? I'd like to start looking for the rarer ores so I can start making more profit. Should I wait until my light drone skill allows me to get some class II Wasps or Hobgoblins before venturing into lower sec space?

I've also started shopping around for a corp to join. Might it just be more profitable to join a mining corp rather than venture into low sec systems?
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-08-15 00:37:41 UTC
Alone, you will not be able to defend yourself in Low-Sec. You are using a Procurer so you might be passed over as bait, but more times than not you will be attacked.

It can be done if you are looking for an edge of your seat mining experience but unfortunately you will not make more isk by going to low-sec.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Oz Hilanen
Hellbound Turkeys
#3 - 2014-08-15 00:41:01 UTC
So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-08-15 00:48:00 UTC
Oz Hilanen wrote:
So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences.

join a corp but you should explore other thing aswell, don't pidgin hole yourself into mining.
Oz Hilanen
Hellbound Turkeys
#5 - 2014-08-15 00:51:33 UTC
Yeah, I actually like scanning/exploring as well but I haven't put nearly as much time onto skils and equipment for it. I actually tend to make more money at it as well.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-08-15 01:04:33 UTC
you might find this intresting then
http://youtu.be/muPV0HiyoDk?list=UU6L76TQIxYnWrkQrF7tErSg
requires you to learn to combat probe, invaluable in pvp
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-15 01:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Forest Archer
Not to be negative but mining is arguably the least Isk making career in eve maybe better then professional pirate but it can be close if you are a decent pirate (mining is better if you lose a lot as a pirate). Not that it is bad to mine just very dull and not great profits.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-08-15 01:10:47 UTC
Oz Hilanen wrote:
So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences.

Understand something... even with max skills and the best equipment available a Mining Barge of any kind can only directly defend itself against a narrow range of targets.

I should know... I use a PvP-fit Procurer as bait in low-sec (I am primarily a PvPer). I can only successfully engage close range frigates and destroyers... not much else. And especially not when they are in groups (which is extremely common).

The best form of defense is using your directional scanner (found on the left side of your capacitor hud) and warping away as soon as a threat appears on scan.

That said... the ores in low-sec are not that much better than high-sec. Sometimes you get lucky and find a cosmic anomaly with some really cool 0.0 rocks in it... but even that will not get you much.
Oz Hilanen
Hellbound Turkeys
#9 - 2014-08-15 01:17:07 UTC
I actually like scanning for relics/data sites more, and I usually make more ISK doing it but mining seems like the safest, baseline means of getting ISK so I wanted to get my mining ability up so that I could support myself if need be. I suppose I should just be content in 0.5+ space and start really developing skills for scanning and exlporing.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-08-15 01:21:39 UTC
Oz Hilanen wrote:
I actually like scanning for relics/data sites more, and I usually make more ISK doing it but mining seems like the safest, baseline means of getting ISK so I wanted to get my mining ability up so that I could support myself if need be. I suppose I should just be content in 0.5+ space and start really developing skills for scanning and exlporing.

baisic scanning can be trained in a couple of hours dude, if you like it, go for it, you can always come back to miningBlink
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-08-15 01:22:58 UTC
Yeah, if you want to mine in lowsec you're going to want to spam that dscan button the second someone pops up in local. If I (or basically anyone) see a mining barge in lowsec, I'm going in as fast as possible to catch you. Hell, I got myself Concorded trying to "tackle" a couple barges in a 0.5 system; I was sleepy and thought I was still in low sec and got all excited at the thought of being able to hold a mining barge hostage and ransom them Pirate. So excited I didn't pay attention to where I was.

Basically, if you do mine in low sec, be careful. Very, careful.

In fact, wherever you mine, be careful. Very, careful.

Grrr.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2014-08-15 01:27:08 UTC
Master Harkonnen wrote:
You'd better be watching local like a tweaker whore and pumping d-scan for all she's worth, dude.
Oz Hilanen
Hellbound Turkeys
#13 - 2014-08-15 01:31:37 UTC
Thanks guys (and girls), I'll join a mining corp and use mining as a stable base income, then get back into my scanning ship and go exploring.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2014-08-15 02:27:54 UTC
Oz Hilanen wrote:
Thanks guys (and girls), I'll join a mining corp and use mining as a stable base income, then get back into my scanning ship and go exploring.
Look for corps that offer Orca boosting support, even if it's off grid you'll see a fairly significant increase in income because of the reduced cycle times, downside you'll be dropping off at a station or POS more often.

You've got the right idea with diversifying your activities though. Try everything, stick with the stuff you enjoy.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#15 - 2014-08-15 08:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Mining and exploration is what I do during my carebearing binges and it works for me. Although I must say that if there weren't a few lucky drops from 4/10 DEDs (those are combat sites you have to scan, not regular anomalies you can just warp to) mining would beat a living sh!t out of my exploration ISK-wise :) Filling up orca (120k m3 of ore space because I tank like a mofo) within 30-40 minutes gives quite nice AND STEADY ISK/hr regardless of what you mine (of course you mine what's best for your wallet first). Of course L4s or lowsec hunting for clone rats will net you more and nobody says you cannot mix all those things together for fun and variety.

As said above, don't get stuck in just one activity, try different things, find what you like and what you don't, specialize in things you like and want to do on daily basis. You don't have to be perfect miner or scanner or hauler or frigate pilot to start doing any of those things, basic skills are ok for testing waters and finding out whether you like doing it or not.

Perfect skills will come with time but in-game skills are inferior to your PLAYER skills and experience. You can always buy perfect orca and exhumer pilot characters on bazaar but you cannot buy your personal experience and knowledge about ins and outs of the game. There are pilots killing shiny battleships in puny frigs and dessies simply because experience trumps ISK almost always. Experience and friends - there's no counter to space friendship in Eve :)

Enjoy your Eve adventure :)

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Cyno for Titan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-15 14:57:15 UTC
i make about 45m isk per hour with mining. so its not the hightest income, but not that much bad as some metioned.
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#17 - 2014-08-15 17:12:47 UTC
I casually mine when there's nothing else I'm willing to do. That being said, I'm not sure about how much more profitable it would be to mine in low sec if you look at the risk/reward ratio. As others mentioned, you're more likely to be attacked and as far as I know the ores there are not much more profitable then mining in high sec, since they have larger volumes (m³) per unit their value/m³ isn't much better then mining in HS

If you're looking for profitability and fun I'd recommend looking into ice mining and gas mining. Ice can be found in anomalies and you'd have to look around for them, although I "camp" a system where they spawn regularly so I imagine that you can settle down once you find something similar. Gas is kind of common in low sec and wormholes and requires you to scan the signatures, since you're into exploration you should have some fun. There's also the Prospect expedition frigate that you can look into, it is a covert-ops T2 Venture that can warp cloaked and have a bigger ore bay (10000m³)
Lady Areola Fappington
#18 - 2014-08-15 18:09:27 UTC
Hi newbie miner! I hope you're having fun with EVE so far!

You need to shift your mindset just a little bit when thinking about defending yourself, mining in lowsec. If you're in a mining ship and pirates are on grid with you, it's too late at that point.

Think one step ahead, if you're going solo. Keep an eye on local, and D-scan. Use the mining ship with a covops cloak. Make lots and lots of safe points (those are just bookmarks in open space, often set by warping between celestials, picking a random spot inbetween). Find quiet systems.

Heck, you might try making friends with the locals. Friendship is the strongest "ship" in the game, you may hook up with a group and make some new buddies (and ISK harvesting lowsec ore)!

Overall, don't get discouraged, and keep thinking up new ideas to do things. It's the EVE way.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-08-15 20:57:14 UTC
Stop mining.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Paranoid Loyd
#20 - 2014-08-15 21:10:52 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Stop mining.


Agreed, but it is a productive thing to do while you are learning about the game by reading various interweb resources and chatting with people who know more than you and can teach you a thing or two, but beyond that not so much as you can quickly skill into other things like exploring and ninja salvaging/looting that will be much more interactive and fun.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

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