Intergalactic Summit

Madmen can be extremely predictable in some narrow ways.

Back in the hangar could equally mean "okay, let's murder them THIS way instead". Not like CONCORD or the station authorities would stop it, and there's the added bonus of the biomass reprocessing system being right there, handy and available. Heck, maybe the clone companies would be interested in buying those cadavers. So, you've NOT purchased a guaranteed shot at their later freedom. It's equally possible that you've condemned them to die now rather than tomorrow.

So, two out of three options are "you screwed up" and the third option is "you didn't succeed". But, we're going in circles, so I'm going to bow out after making this final comment:

Jinari, I think you're making a basic failure of empathy here. In fact, if I were a Stormcrow right now, I'd be rather upset at you. You seem to think that it's all about gung-ho violence lust, yeehawing into battle, firing wildly and creaming their pants. Take it from me as somebody who went through similar situations in his first life - that's not how it goes. You don't go in guns blazing because it makes your little soldier stand to attention. you don't do it because it's fun. People's lives are on the line here, and professionals only act in such situations if they are thoroughly and completely convinced that their selected course of action is the best one.

You're not only insulting the Stormcrows' professionalism and empathy by accusing them of preferring violence, you're betraying a lack of empathy on your own part. You're failing to see things from their perspective.

Put yourself there. You have a life-and-death choice to make with thousands of people in the balance. You know from experience, training, and the received experience from others that the death of ALL those people is one frak-up away, and the frak-up is yours to make.

Do you REALLY think that the ethical thing to do in that situation is to let sentiment get in the way and persuade you to "make the attempt"? Or do you think maybe the ethical thing to do is to do the math and save who you KNOW you can save?

Whether or not you agree with them, whether or not you accept the logic, I think that you've owed the Stormcrows an apology for this entire thread.

From the Book of Trials, Chapter 2, Verse 1: "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all..."

You blaspheme when you call the Minmatar subhuman, for they are children of God, His creation by His own Word, as are all New Eden's peoples. That you have failed in your task as Chosen, opting not to open their eyes to the Holy Light of His Salvation but to instead cast their souls wholesale into Perdition, is a greater sin still.

Even in your unstinting wickedness you cannot fathom the true magnificence of God's Wrath, yet your brazen slaughter of His unclaimed children brings you ever closer to its realization.

Yet nothing is impossible for the Almighty, and even you may be saved.

Prostrate yourself before the sublime light of His Judgement! Obsecrate before the Lord that you may be redeemed!

I'm not saying such a scenario doesn't exist, I'm questioning it's likelihood. The range of possible somethings are as far as I can tell so narrow that they are practically non-existent and even if some nebulous something happens you already have him in your crosshairs and are a thought away from accomplishing the exact same thing as you would with pre-emptive fire.

And I certainly would take the station admins into account. If I were to dispose of thousands of people in my hangar I somewhat doubt I'd be allowed to use that station's services again, not to mention fill it with even more of them. Maybe things are different elsewhere, but the stations I tend to use have strict limitations on what I can do with my belongings. Storage, move to markets or trade contracts, move to vessel, move to manufactorums and eject/have escorted out of the hangar.

If there's a "biomass civilians" option anywhere I've never seen it. I'd love to be proven wrong of course, as that'd invalidate this entire discussion and give the Stormcrows perfect legitimacy in opening fire at the first opening.

It's the only access I have to my hangars, inside or outside my cozy little egg. Given the insanity on display from certain eggers, I'm not at all surprised the station admins limit our access like this. Of course, things might be different elsewhere but that's how the stations I've visited have done it.

It's one of the reasons I set up my own starbase, in fact. Public stations are too limited for many of my purposes.

Below is just one safe and legal way to dispose of a prisoner within a capsuleer hangar. I have never used this myself, but I understand that nobody will give you any grief if you do.

In addition, it should be noted that Naupilus has a habit of getting is slaves on Vitoc and maintaining discipline with shock collars, armed guards, beatings, slaver hounds and a system whereby slaves can inform on each other for benefits. I would, quite literally, prefer immediate and painful death to living a life like that, with the only end being my brutal and bloody sacrifice on an altar.

I respect you a great deal, Jinny, but you're just plain wrong here, girl.

Firing Squad Details.

Service personnel, five, rifle qualified.
Service personnel, one, SNCO or Officer rank.
Service rifle, five.
Service pistol, one.
Rifle Ammunition, orbital anti-personnel, four.
Rifle Ammunition, orbital blank training, one.
Pistol Ammunition, orbital anti-personnel, thirty.
Tether field, human, one.
Blindfold, black, one.
Armbands, black, six..
Capshades, black, six.
Defaulter Fatigue jumpsuit, black, one.
Cloth patch, white, one.

Defaulter is dressed in Defaulter Fatigue Jumpsuit. White cloth patch is pinned to chest, over heart. Firing squad add black armbands to uniform. Firing squad and leader wear black capshades. Firing Squad collect pre-loaded rifles. Squad leader collects preloaded pistol.

Yellow firing squad line is painted on ground. Tether field is assembled twenty meters from firing squad line. Firing squad leader takes position by firing squad line. Prisoner is marched out to Tether field and attached. Prisoner is offered blindfold. Firing Squad march in, take position on firing squad line.

Firing squad present arms. Firing squad take aim at cloth patch. Firing squad fire.

Squad leader proceeds to Defaulter and checks for signs of life. If signs of life present, squad leader fires two rounds from pistol into defaulters head. Firing squad march off. Squad leader remains with body until body detail collect body of defaulter for disposal.

Love you like a brother Tuulinen...but you're just plain scary sometimes.

I've been a capsuleer for some time now, Shutaq. I've explained how the station hangars are administrated where I hang my coat or ship respectively, and if you have different options available where you dock that's entirely up to the administration in those stations.

I've never walked in the hangars I've disposed of because they're considered out of bounds for non-station personnel and passengers under the watch of said personnel. I've never seen a CONCORD regulation that over-rules this, but there are many things I've never seen in this universe that may or may not exist.

In short, your mileage may vary but I can only take my own experiences into account in these things. My experience when telling the hangar workers to trash the contents is that the contents are removed from the hangar, not killed out of hand.

No, you kill them first yourself, then they come and remove it.

You live in a scary universe. Get used to it.

That would be NONE of the stations. Believe me. You have extraterritoriality, you are an island to yourself with powers plenipotentiary. If someone is in your hangar and you want that person dead, you have only to order it.

Do you think you'll get a knock on the door and a pair of officers will arrive to escort you to jail? Does anyone do that when you opt to destroy a jetcan full of people in space, literally right outside the same station? Why do you think that is?