Intergalactic Summit

I was once trapped in a Caracal class vessel that suffered an engineering casualty mid-warp and became part of the Oort cloud in one of the Caldari low-sec systems. As part of the incident there was a considerable loss of structural integrity in the hull and several compartments were opened to vacuum. The rest of us lived on in a ship with barely any functioning systems. For a month. Some compartments lost their emergency supplies and I'm sorry to say that some members of the crew were unable to face their fate with Caldari stoicism. Violence. Madness. Cannibalism.

So, yes, there are worse things that can happen to you than explosive decompression.

Why should we care about your morals?

Verin, what points have Morwen or Kohiko made? One says "trying doesn't work because we think it doesn't work" and the other just says "Oh, because reasons. Nope, not going to say what reasons, but reasons.". Your arguments actually had a little weight to them but I really disagree with your assessment that there's any kind of time pressure involved here.

The potential problems arising from holding him a bit are so miniscule compared to the potentially thousands of lives that can be saved that it's staggering to see those lives being dismissed out of hand.

And what added danger are they in that they're not already in danger of with your guns trained on the hull separating them from space?

Never, EVER underestimate a cornered fanatic's capacity to out-think you in their desperation, or to just plain get lucky.

You could always privately mail it to her?

I like the part where she ignores my point that shooting the ship offers some chance of some survivors when letting Nauppy take them is assured death for all of them.

No one would let him take them anywhere. If you'd followed the discussion you should by now have noticed this is a discussion about when he's immobilized and his options are limited to giving up his goods, redocking (if at station) or self-destruct. This is a situation where the option used so far - indiscriminate gunfire - is permanently available and less than a thought away.

ETA Verin:

Good point on the vessel's safety systems. They are quite well engineered as far as my perusals show but I have little desire to see such systems tested with potentially thousands of lives at stake unless it actually is an emergency. Dismissing the lives of the other fifty percent is bone chilling though.

I still don't see how you can claim that making the attempt is somehow an impossibility merely because "he's such a person". No matter what person he is, he's locked in an egg in a ship held by others in this situation. His options are severely limited and should he do the expected the end result is exactly the same as if you simply shot him out of the sky anyway.

The difference is, an attempt was made. With those thousands of lives in question, I really think that attempt is vital. It scares me so much that so many are advocating the flat out killing of these people without making that attempt.

While in some ways I can see where you're coming from, I simply can't agree. Option 1 may be highly unlikely but as you say he is a madman and can't be perfectly predictable. This means his refusal to give them over is not a certainty. Unlikely, but even the smallest chance here makes the attempt worth it. Option 2 constitutes a failure to kill him. It certainly ensures those people aren't killed yet. Delaying their murder allows for rescuing them later. Killing them removes that possibility entirely.

Option 3, well. It's the same as just opening fire. The result is the same, with the difference of having tried.

Perhaps I simply am not capable of getting into the mindset that thousands of dead are acceptable simply to avoid a negligible risk of Nappy pulling a miracle out of his exhaust port.

They are in danger for as long as they are in his possession. This is what you do not ******* get. Their lives are not spared if he docks. He is planning on killing them all. Each and every Minmatar that he has dies. If their lives are in his hands he will ruin them, period.

Yeah. You should try to scram and web him and bump him off station and all of that. It won't do a lot of good since it relies on him actually caring about losing the ship, but that was the plan if he tried that again. I know because I was sitting there in a cruiser with a microwarpdrive ready to smash him away from the station while the Stormcrows were waiting outside with scrams and webs to hold him down. But we didn't get the chance since the next time he undocked one he just warped it off with instant undock coordinates and blew it up himself a minute later. And before you try more accusations of how people don't care, we immediately tried to scan it down before he could do it, even though we would have been too late anyway, because unlike you in your armchair some of us actually care so much about those lives that we are actually putting ourselves out there and trying even if there's really nothing we can do.

Even if we'd gotten him and he was out of docking range and everything had gone perfectly, all we could do would have been to pray to God that he would jettison the slaves. Which he won't, because he doesn't care. He's got so much ******* money that he destroys his own freighters as part of his sacrifices, what do you ******* think a bestower is worth to him? He's going to blow it up anyway. He won't jettison them because he has no desire for that ******* ship to survive in the first place, he just wants the sick ******* glee in watching other people do the killing for him while they're trying to stop him. He'll self-destruct it if he can't dock, he'll dock it if he can and then blow it up an hour or a day or a week or a month later. The people in it will die, period, because he's a ******* monster.



The one thing that could stop him, is the thing that no one will ever admit to, because all of you love your cloning so damn much. His pod was destroyed. His pod was destroyed but it doesn't matter. He is still out there, still killing slaves, because a new copy of him came off the assembly line. He'll go on and on and keep killing and it doesn't matter if you rescue some or none because he'll just get more and he'll keep killing more until there aren't any left.