EVE General Discussion

I found your short essay quite an interesting read, thank you. Well written and intelligent. I would however not agree with some of the discourse you put forth. My apologies for the imminent wall of text.

Yes, Eve is virtual, all pixels and nothing physical to hold and feel. It is however very emotional and emotion still needs to be defined by the world’s greatest thinkers, past and present. Emotion exists, we all know that, it is tangible in that we either feel happy or sad, angry or clam and all the shades in-between.

Having said that, Eve is a game. It is entertainment. Your art, although you could label it as entertainment, is self-immersive. It is real to you and only you. Others can only speculate at it and appreciate it, they cannot feel it as you do. It is very personal or you probably would not be an artist.

Eve is real - as entertainment goes, yes. I want the red ball, you want the blue ball, the bully wants both of our balls. That's the way the bully is entertained, by taking what is yours and delighting in the fact that you are upset. It is a mind-set you will not be able to change. That is not to say that such a person is a bully in real life. Often times, quite the opposite is true. The person may likely be a mild-mannered, well-liked individual who finds in Eve the ability to express emotions (anger, rage, spite) - which he or she would not otherwise feel comfortable doing in real life.

You should not converge the virtual with the real - especially not in the case of Eve and most any other MMO. Sure, it's an Utopian concept to think that in the virtual world, that which you deem of value you do not want others to take from you, in whatever form. Alas though, Eve is not Utopia. Even in the real world we absolutely need chaos otherwise peace and calm, left alone, will be a very tedious and boring existence. Even if we were to elevate our conscious thoughts to a higher plain of holistic thinking, we would ultimately find that evolution can only come about by revolution.

It is what we are as humans. We aspire, we build and create. Others will look in anguish at your creations and feel bitter envy and a need to destroy and remove. This is part of the human condition. What does this do to us as a race of sapient beings ? It makes us aspire to more, more greatness, more holistic thinking, more destruction.

Your ownership of a virtual good in a space to which I have access to is as likely to be destroyed as your ownership of an item in your space in real life. The persistence you speak of is thus not infinite, nor should it be taken for granted. Real life wars destroy objects and people. Criminal’s ****, abduct, kill and destroy in real life.

We mirror all of this in the games we play and Eve is no exception. Nothing can be infinitely persistent. There comes a time, eventually, when the law of entropy rears its head and says "enough" and destroys, not by leaps and bounds in the grand scheme of things, but slowly, over time.

In Eve, this entropy is more immediate, felt with greater closeness. It affects us directly as individuals. For the most part, most of us manage to get through life without being raped, accosted, robbed or killed. We know such heinous products of the human mind exist. We read about them every day. We do not expect something bad to happen to us personally. In Eve however, you are guaranteed that someone out there is hunting you down, wants to destroy your possessions.

I understand where you're coming from, I see your point of view, but understand that yours cannot be the only valid point of view. Neither can mine.

It is all a part of the human condition and afterall is said and done, Eve remains a game.

Peace, out.

o/

By your logic, playing a game where adults had sex with children would be acceptable as it isn't real. In your mind it might be just a game, but to others it is a fantasy that they want to indulge in. Games can influence real world behaviour, although the person probably already has a problem, the game doesn't create that, but it does influence it.

My example is deliberately over the top on purpose, as people's simplistic views of the world may be true for them, but they will not necessarily be true for everyone. It has already been proved that violent games desensitize people to violence, but this is also true for people who regulalrly watch violent films or even the news...

Internet anonymity has (again) proven one thing about human nature: A lot of people are dickheads, their black soul contained only because of RL consequences. Take those consequences away and they will go around harassing, griefing and even killing other people, without remorse.

Fortunately, there is nothing in EVE that forces you to go out to the nullsec and be molested by these people.

I shot at other players ships and pod recently, some got even destroyed

I dont feel bad or guilty over it though. My wife and kids still love me.

Should I be punished by the internet morallity police ?

There is just no end to your illusions of grandeur.

To sum it up guys:

Agressors in eve will still agress ... even if they use in high sec a disco bombing typhoon to kill your shuttle...

There seems to be 2 options: Join them or join an entity that fights such action

We in NRDS coalition for example are trying to keep 0.0 space (yes ,,,, even in there!) safe from Players shooting random miners or traders or any player who keep his acts marked as "Civilized"
We have succeeded to secure 90% of Providence region and placed it under order....

There are always way to make things go the right way..... wining about it surely won't

07
Honor & Decency

Rear Admiral Mohamad Transporte
Yulai Federation

Entirely fine as long as the sex is implied, not explicitly shown, and plays a crucial role in the story, and character development (see The Kite Runner).

Let us just hope that you won't ever be in a tragic accident then, because that would be the only time your brain would come into contact with reality.

Trying to explain that Eve is just a game to mental people is like trying to explain Darwins theory of evolution to a Creationist.

I actually was going to post a whole bunch of links for you a while back. But then I remembered I don't give a damn for what you believe. Your adolescent and unmanly whining reflects poorly only on you, and is entirely your problem. I will however leave you with this one quote, which I'm sure you'll dismiss as being invalid somehow, or use the brevity of my reply for some witty remark concerning people that hurt your precious snowflake feelings. Whatever, I'm not here to do research for you; I am however just magnanimous enough to leave you with this one quote, which was spoken in a news conference following the release of a study on youth violence following the Columbine shootings.