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Stormcrows: Killers of 2034 Slaves

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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2014-08-14 19:32:57 UTC
and THIS is why I stay on IGS. It's about to get good.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#82 - 2014-08-14 19:46:04 UTC
Anslo wrote:
and THIS is why I stay on IGS. It's about to get good.

*passes the popcorn*

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#83 - 2014-08-14 19:46:38 UTC
Quote:
Be sure to sell any slaves you rescue from my wrecks back into slavery. Or join with me in the Faith...and sacrifice them.
Requests denied.
Anslo
Scope Works
#84 - 2014-08-14 19:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Kohiko Sun wrote:
Quote:
Be sure to sell any slaves you rescue from my wrecks back into slavery. Or join with me in the Faith...and sacrifice them.
Requests denied.


EEEEEEEE IT'S KOHIKO SUN!!! PLEASE SIGN MY HULL!!!

EDIT: OH GODS SHE LIKED MY POST SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2014-08-14 20:09:07 UTC
Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

Actions speak louder than my words.


Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

Ayallah,

up to now not a single Stormcrow has responded in this thread, yet you claim to know our hearts and minds? Based on what exactly? Your own assumptions?

Do you know the terms of our contract? Were you there when we made the choices we made? Were you there when we let a Bestower past, only to have the report delivered a few minutes later that all the slaves have been executed?


You have gotten slaves killed, every slave killed in fact, in every single one of your engagements with Nauplius so far save the bestower. Given the size of the ship and number of people who died it is obvious that your pilots skipped right past everything and just shot it without any attempt of boarding action, no activation of self-destruct timer and no attempt at negotiation whatsoever. Exactly like your people have handled every other fight which is exactly why there are so many dead slaves on your killboard.

Your actions and the actions of your pilots has spoken. All you are doing is defending the fact your contractor may not have directed you to act as you obviously did.

Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

How would you have handled it?


I would have not shot the unarmed transport full of people.


Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

We have to live with our actions, not you.


2050 innocent people do not get to live because of your actions.


Others have already tried to spin this as 'I do not care enough about the people rescued' so your 'I do not care really, I am just doing it for attention.' line falls far short.


Tell the rest of your excuses to the dead.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Anslo
Scope Works
#86 - 2014-08-14 20:15:34 UTC
Aaaand back to the argue-go-round...

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#87 - 2014-08-14 20:28:47 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

How would you have handled it?


I would have not shot the unarmed transport full of people.



Causing the death of 4034 people in the near future, following Nauplius Modus Operandi (*all minmatar must be given over to destruction*)

Ayallah wrote:

Jude Kopenhagen wrote:

We have to live with our actions, not you.


2050 innocent people do not get to live because of your actions.


And 2000 people get to live, which is still more then if they did not shoot.

Ayallah wrote:

Others have already tried to spin this as 'I do not care enough about the people rescued' so your 'I do not care really, I am just doing it for attention.' line falls far short.


Tell the rest of your excuses to the dead.


The problem many have with your comments is, you claim you care about the survivors, yet propose a course of action that will lead to the death of 4034 people rather then 2034 people.

If you would only explain the best course of action that will not lead to the death of these slaves, you would do everyone a great help. I'm aware you said 'don't shoot' , but you must have some plan to save them all? From your comments, I can't fanthom your advice would be *Don't shoot, let them live in slavery under Nauplius hands and die* concerning your stance on slavery and how deeply you care about the survival of these slaves.

Following from that, the advice must be something different, 'Don't shoot , -Unknown-' It would be good to know what this full advice would be.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#88 - 2014-08-14 20:30:08 UTC
I hereby declare this thread is renamed as follows: Thread of moral self pleasuring #1220984576.

That is all.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#89 - 2014-08-14 20:33:46 UTC
A multi-race Private Military Contractor is hired by Amarrians to kill an Amarrian. The collateral lives lost are Minmatar. Is anyone surprised that the Vendor has not been told to respect the human shields of the target by the client?

Really?

I think there's some sort of war on, isn't there?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#90 - 2014-08-14 20:35:12 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
A multi-race Private Military Contractor is hired by Amarrians to kill an Amarrian. The collateral lives lost are Minmatar. Is anyone surprised that the Vendor has not been told to respect the human shields of the target by the client?

Really?

I think there's some sort of war on, isn't there?


Don't bother dude, trust me. Just don't.

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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#91 - 2014-08-14 20:45:28 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
The problem many have with your comments is, you claim you care about the survivors, yet propose a course of action that will lead to the death of 4034 people rather then 2034 people.


Well see that's the trick; If there's no survivors then you don't have to care about them. Problem solved.

-Eran
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#92 - 2014-08-14 21:28:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
A multi-race Private Military Contractor is hired by Amarrians to kill an Amarrian. The collateral lives lost are Minmatar. Is anyone surprised that the Vendor has not been told to respect the human shields of the target by the client?

With all due respect, the notion that all slaves are Minmatar is racist. The notion that Nauplius is Amarr is abhorrent.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#93 - 2014-08-14 22:14:30 UTC
Hopefully she's learnt a bit more about boarding than half a year ago.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#94 - 2014-08-15 00:32:53 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
In the grand scheme of things your 1000 are not even a drop in the ocean.


Certainly 1000 out of several trillion seems irrelevant if you are using mathematical logic. Unfortunately, the reality is that it only takes one life to change the course of a history.

With that said, I don't see anyone killing this mans resolve by hunting him down but instead strengthening his determination. After all, with so many threads about him on the front page, he's raking in more attention than a lingerie model in a Brutor barracks. Sometimes it's best to ignore griefers, psychopaths, and step-parents. Eventually they lose their steam, unless you keep throwing wood in the fire.

-Eran

Absolutely true.
My point was mostly about using human life as a leverage of any sort against capsuleers, it's like saying to a hungry slaver-hound you will pet it backwards if it won't stop biting you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-08-15 07:42:16 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I am less alone in the mass killing of filthy Minmatar subhuman slaves than I was yesterday.

On 2014.08.12 at 21:55 in the Mehatoor system a small fleet belonging to the Stormcrows corporation destroyed an unarmed, harmless Bestower piloted by myself and carrying 4,034 Slaves. 2,034 Slaves perished.

When I reported this shocking event to the Summit channel, I was met with not only indifference but vigorous defense of the Stormcrows' actions. To those of you who consider me a monster I offer this quote of unknown origin: "When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you."


In the State, we call it just "collateral damage".
Nothing to see here.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-08-15 07:45:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
During combat, a few had to be sacrificed for the benefit of many.

If you weren't a minmatar, I could have said that you might even understand Caldari someday.
Unfortunately, just a coincidence.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#97 - 2014-08-15 11:07:06 UTC
If you allow terrorists to have free reign because they endanger innocents, you're simply encouraging them to do more of the same. This is why all governments refuse to negotiate with terrorists; you cannot give them any leeway. It sucks.

Sometimes, you grit your teeth and pull the ******* trigger. It's an awful decision to have to make, but what are the options? Killing some of them quickly, in a flash, painlessly, in an attempt to save some? Or doing nothing, and sentence the lot of them to whatever warped torment Nauplius and others of his ilk can conceive? We cannot forcefully board a vessel. We cannot force it to jettison its cargo, nor dock, nor capitulate in any other way to our demands. HE INTENDED TO KILL ALL OF THEM ANYWAY.

I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.

On behalf of my Clan, Tribe, Nation, and corporation, I have one thing to say to Stormcrows:

Thank you.

We stand ready to receive any and all survivors, who will be given housing, medical care, transport to wherever they wish, and work for those who seek it.

Should you require any assistance, you need but ask.

Chief Kyllsa Siikanen
Late-Rise Clan
Mikramurka, Matar

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#98 - 2014-08-15 11:46:45 UTC
Painlessly? Have you ever seen the corpses left behind by explosive decompression? There's no flash. There's no painless death. Unless they take a blaster charge directly, it's one of the worst conceivable ways to die, with several dozen horrible things happening to you all at once. If you are really lucky, you get knocked out during the event. If you're not...

Well.

What you can do is give them a chance. You can scramble and web the target at the undock, if that's where you catch them. You can give them the option of redocking, dropping the cargo or simply be forced to sit there. Until the self-destruct is triggered, you aren't forced to do anything but deny him the option of going anywhere.

By simply venting his hulls at the undock, all that's achieved is him popping out of the clone bay nice and refreshed and with the market interface for another batch of slaves waiting for him.

You can't force him to hand over the slaves or redock without self-destructing but not even making the attempt shows exactly how much disregard there is for his cargo. What matters to these people is the kill and the ISK. Everything else is quite demonstrably not a priority.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#99 - 2014-08-15 11:57:43 UTC
Because Nauplius has such a history of rational behavior and taking care of those within his holds.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#100 - 2014-08-15 12:02:48 UTC
It's not a question of rationality. It's a simple matter of reducing his number of options to the point where there are only three possible outcomes. Redock, hand over the cargo or destruction of his ship. Jumping straight to the last option without attempting the first two is not "saving" anyone. If the last option becomes all that remains, exhausting all others, then there is a case to be made for it being less than murder.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.