Intergalactic Summit

Do not try to twist my words Jandice.

For months it has been known that Nauplius flies with slaves in his cargo hold. For months.

Avlynkaa and I have both been able to kill him without killing the people inside. Samira has done it three times Even PIE as a whole who cares for slaves only as property has rescued almost three times as many people as have died in engagements with him.

The Stormcrows are not even attempting to save people, They failed to save even a single person in any engagement. They killed five people until Nauplius intentionally threw enough of them at him that some were bound to survive.

Nauplius waited almost hours before posting here.
He knew exactly how they were shooting, how loose their ROE is, and he played them.

They did not even learn their lesson as the next day they killed 11 more people. More than had been killed in every engagement with him up until the day before and the bestower.

Do not try to sell me this sad nobility or realities of hard choices. Other people have shown demonstrated restraint. One mercenary group is clearly just killing him for money and give a damn about the people. Or did everyone forget why we were killing him in the first place?

They see a hauler, in his home system and the first thing they do is open fire. No self destruct timer. Now talk about naive.


The Stormcrows, operating on contract have killed 2050 civilians in collateral damage.
There is your tragic reality.





As far as I am concerned, they are as much the enemy as he is.

Killing the combat crews of capsuleer ships is a whole entire different discussion than killing civilians Anslo.

You are not wrong. Even in saying so.

It's not important to Aya. She doesn't see 2000 saved, but 2000 killed. It's like most bullshit on the IGS, all about view points.

Round and round the debate we go, with valid points countering each other based on the morals of the debaters in an endless cycle of showmanship, moral high ground taking, and rabble that at the end of the day, is pretty ******* pointless considering it'll just happen again, and again, and again. And be talked about again, and again, and again.

Where the endless argue-go-round stops? Nobody knows!

'But Anslo, if you dislike it so much, why stick around?'

Because I'm hoping something changes at some point and things get interesting again. Besides, some nifty stuff pops up now and then.

So, Stormcrows have fallen into Nauplius's cunningly designed trap, eh ?

Intriguing !

You have absolutely no idea what is or is not important to me.

And yes, it is a matter of viewpoints.

I wonder if people would be talking about noble hard choices if it was 4034 Gallentean Students held hostage and instead of negotiating or attempting to rescue them the FIO just bombed the place.

They did all they could, they really did.

Good thing he is dead though huh? Makes these sort of all-or-nothing tactics worthwhile. At least they stopped him so he cannot hurt more people.

I cannot think of a single reason I would want to keep quiet publicly about what the stormcrows are doing.

I cannot think of a single benefit to drawing attention to the fate of those lucky enough to survive. Them going to Gradient as quickly and quietly as possible is the best thing that could have happened. Why me pointing out the bullshit going on with the stormcrows is put in jeopardy by the fact I did not mention that before, I will never understand.

I get the reasoning behind your defense. I really really do. But the distinction between a pilot or group that had been trying to rescue people saving only half from the self-destructed wreck after negotiations break down and mercenaries who have been playing the 'there are no civilians' game since day one of their contract blowing up a bait hauler full of people before a self destruct timer is even started, ...should be obvious.

You are not wrong. But I am ahead of you on it this time.

This is indeed a good example you give Ayallah, as we know a person who holds a viewpoint as extremist as Nauplius has towards minmatar (*They must be given over to destruction*) This person is Diana Kim, who has been frequently seen quoted *The Gallente federation must be destroyed* She has extended this to the civilian population on several occasions.


In your example, the 4034 Gallente students are held hostage by Diana Kim aboard her ship. Negotiations by FIO fail, as they are gallente themselves.

So now there's two options left. Either follow your Rule of Engagement : don't shoot' and as result, Diana Kim gets to safety & 4034 Gallente students will die.

Or act: FIO engages Diana Kim's ship, 2034 students die, 2000 are rescued.

Both are terrible choices, as people die, but of the two, the second option: 'to act' is the better choice, as at least half of them survive instead of none.
If there's an option to save them all, it would be the best choice, but alas, it is not there. You could of course wait, hoping for such opportunity to appear, but knowing Nauplius modus operandi (and Diana Kim's) chances are the 4034 would all die before this opportunity arises.

Evening Pilots,

I rarely reply here, simply because I try to let me actions speak louder than my words. However, it seems while some have had certain wisdom and insight, others have not.

Ayallah,

up to now not a single Stormcrow has responded in this thread, yet you claim to know our hearts and minds? Based on what exactly? Your own assumptions?

Do you know the terms of our contract? Were you there when we made the choices we made? Were you there when we let a Bestower past, only to have the report delivered a few minutes later that all the slaves have been executed?

How would you have handled it?

We have to live with our actions, not you.

Just to be clear, I do not care half an isk what you think, because it seems you are here only to draw attention to yourself. But if you were really so concerned, you would have come to discuss this with me, find out the full story instead of forming your own half-truths.

So, go ahead and talk here, but if you really take exception with us, like you seem to, come take it up with us at any time.

PS. Thank you for all the pilots who have shown willingness to help those rescued go where they would feel most at home. And thank you to Hoshi Karasawa who was so willing to provide the logistical means that we lacked in the war zone, and at such short notice.