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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-08-14 11:02:25 UTC
Pay me...

When I am back from India though. Maybe 2 weeks time.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-08-14 11:36:38 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Ok, it sounds like you still had an active limited engagement timer when you undocked again.

For future reference, it will be a blue countdown timer in the upper left of the screen. Any time you re-agress him, the timer will reset.

If I were you, I would accept the wardec. Its a great way for new players to learn about eve, and the most important lesson of all -- you are going to lose things in this game, and thats a good thing.

Never be afraid of your mistakes here as long as you learn from them.

Edit: The best place to learn without actually losing anything will be on the test server, SiSi. Lookup how to login if you are interested.

Apart from that, I wouldnt trust anyone who offers to duel you. Most of them will indeed destroy and pod you if they are able.


Ivel ost an apoc in a wormhole because i didnt bring probes. I lost 900m last week cus someone likes to suidice gank random ships. Im aware that losing stuff is apart of the game. I was aware that I was going to lose my ships in both those fights with him. I acepted that fact. But he broke his word. We agreed no killing pods. But not only did he kill my pod, he did it when I was defenseless and didnt even know it was still possible. And for that he deserves to die.



No player that you do not know for loong time is to be trusted. And no player that you do not know in real life is to be trusted tooo much.

When you asked him to not kill your pod you basically convinced him that your pod was very expensive andyou made him WANT to kill your pod.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-08-14 11:38:19 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sucker punch this guy, invite him to duel then when he thinks he's got you on the ropes warp in two logi friends rep up and kill him. Need fits and tactics, possibly friends hit us up at PoH, we'll set you on the path to PvP enlightenment.


OP needs to ignore this and take the previous advice.




And you think lessons on station combat will involve what? Station combat is on the lowest level of combat in game where you must assume theother guy will do shenannigans and you must have shenannigans in reserve to counter him

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Vagrant Balzary
Athena's Legion
#24 - 2014-08-14 13:12:45 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Xanato Kaso wrote:
I am not going to explain how my lack of understanding of the mechanics of this game allowed this guy to kill me so you can laugh at me. Is someone willing to kill him yes or no? I can pay.


I wont kill him for you, but I will indeed help you learn how to kill him yourself.

C&P doesnt laugh at new guys. (I can see your character is older, did you purchase it?)

Most of the personalities who inhabit this subforum are happy to educate anyone who is willing to listen.

Ill be online later, if you would prefer a one on one convo, ill oblige.



I'm interested!! I'm an older character aswell but only because I have taken more break time from the game than actual play time.

But I need to learn this game. It's an OCD thing
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#25 - 2014-08-14 13:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sucker punch this guy, invite him to duel then when he thinks he's got you on the ropes warp in two logi friends rep up and kill him. Need fits and tactics, possibly friends hit us up at PoH, we'll set you on the path to PvP enlightenment.


OP needs to ignore this and take the previous advice.




And you think lessons on station combat will involve what? Station combat is on the lowest level of combat in game where you must assume theother guy will do shenannigans and you must have shenannigans in reserve to counter him


The advice I was referring to was from Leto Thule, At no point unless it is in secret writing did I mention anything to do with station combat as you put it.

Seriously! You need to taste your words before spitting them out.
Benar Ellecon
Card games on MOTORCYCLES
#26 - 2014-08-14 14:11:40 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Pay me...

When I am back from India though. Maybe 2 weeks time.


You should still learn to PvP from Leto, but in the meantime if you want him to pay for it, this is your man right here...^^^

Fly with your hair on FIRE!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-08-14 15:16:03 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sucker punch this guy, invite him to duel then when he thinks he's got you on the ropes warp in two logi friends rep up and kill him. Need fits and tactics, possibly friends hit us up at PoH, we'll set you on the path to PvP enlightenment.


OP needs to ignore this and take the previous advice.




And you think lessons on station combat will involve what? Station combat is on the lowest level of combat in game where you must assume theother guy will do shenannigans and you must have shenannigans in reserve to counter him


The advice I was referring to was from Leto Thule, At no point unless it is in secret writing did I mention anything to do with station combat as you put it.

Seriously! You need to taste your words before spitting them out.



A guy that is knows for staying at a station taking duels is someone that you gonne engage how? In a station game.

Taste some rational thinking.. it helps...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-08-14 15:23:18 UTC
Benar Ellecon wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Pay me...

When I am back from India though. Maybe 2 weeks time.


You should still learn to PvP from Leto, but in the meantime if you want him to pay for it, this is your man right here...^^^


Confirming. Kane is quite possibly the best. (I've never seen anyone better)

Also take Leto's advice though. Pretty much any of the guys who have commented on this thread will gladly answer any questions you have if you private convo or eve-mail them. Some might have convo's blocked, so don't take that personally, and some might get swarms of mails and or not check their mail too often, so again don't take it personally if you don't get a response from someone.

As for the trolling, your post was not one that was likely to get trolled, and seeing as I enjoy trolling threads that deserve it, you can believe that.

Learn the mechanics, but also learn high sec tactics. As someone pointed out, neutral reps will dramatically swing a fight in one direction. If you consider yourself better than that, you still need to be aware of it and have a plan to deal with it should it happen. (For instance have someone standing by to jump on your opponents neutral reps and kill them when they go suspect. Tons of people will gladly do that for you. I would.)

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-14 15:29:12 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Plain an simple. Screwed me over. I want him dead. He frequents highsec harrassing new players.


Reported to CCP. Reported to the Authorities. Reported to the CB society. Lastly, putting this on Blast to get the word out.

I suggest you seek the proper counseling and medication in order to understand that your desire to cause harm to others in RL for a in-game dispute is neither warranted or acceptable.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#30 - 2014-08-14 15:32:46 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Sucker punch this guy, invite him to duel then when he thinks he's got you on the ropes warp in two logi friends rep up and kill him. Need fits and tactics, possibly friends hit us up at PoH, we'll set you on the path to PvP enlightenment.


OP needs to ignore this and take the previous advice.




And you think lessons on station combat will involve what? Station combat is on the lowest level of combat in game where you must assume theother guy will do shenannigans and you must have shenannigans in reserve to counter him


The advice I was referring to was from Leto Thule, At no point unless it is in secret writing did I mention anything to do with station combat as you put it.

Seriously! You need to taste your words before spitting them out.



A guy that is knows for staying at a station taking duels is someone that you gonne engage how? In a station game.

Taste some rational thinking.. it helps...


I really do not care all I said was take the advice and help. Do you even understand plain English or the meaning of what is said.
Maybe you can give him some advice with your enormous pvp experience of docking games!
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#31 - 2014-08-14 15:36:46 UTC
We didn't even fight at a station. we were somewhere in the middle of space. There was someone who was standing about 30km away from our fight. Is it possible he had a friend repping him that did not start blinking yellow?
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-08-14 15:59:25 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
We didn't even fight at a station. we were somewhere in the middle of space. There was someone who was standing about 30km away from our fight. Is it possible he had a friend repping him that did not start blinking yellow?


Its likely thats what they were there for, however had they actually repped him, they will always go suspect. (Providing remote assistance to anyone with a LE timer will flag you suspect.)

A good idea to counter this is to have a buddy ready to intervene. As you have stated, most of your corpies may be rather new, but dont let that dissuade you. How can you be effective as a new player?

In this situation, I would have a corp mate accompany you in an ECM ship, off grid, but in your fleet. Have him align to you and be at speed so they can instawarp at range from your LE and jam out the logi.

A blackbird is an exceptional ship that will let players with lower-ish skillpoint pilots make a very high impact on fleet engagements. It takes a few days of training to have a combat-capable ECM ship, but for jamming out logi, you could possibly (depending if they are comp trained or running ECCM) be effective with a few hours of training.

ECM is also fantastic at producing tears.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-08-14 17:47:33 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
We didn't even fight at a station. we were somewhere in the middle of space. There was someone who was standing about 30km away from our fight. Is it possible he had a friend repping him that did not start blinking yellow?



This type of thing can give you info about what he intends to do even before the fight start.

If he ask to fight at a planet his tactics will be different than if he ask to do it at a station etc... you need to learn those and you need to have answers to each.

HIgh sec combat is more a poker game than strategy.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2014-08-14 18:59:10 UTC
Remote sensor damps work just as well as ecm, makes him believe he's still in the fight when hes not, damping out his logi, and him will create delicious tears when you kill them all.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-08-14 20:23:31 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You managed to tell the story without whining about it. Not only that you display a willingness to fight back as well as to learn. So, people will help you. Like Leto said we troll those who don't want to learn but have the game changed to favor them.

I'll let Leto do the heavy lifting but I do want to say:

Trust no one, there is no honor in EVE, nor should there be.



I still need an assassin to kill him. If you have ever seen any of Jason Statham's movies no matter what character he portrays, he operates on a moral compass of principles that guide him. Example, the movie Parker. I operate in a similar fashion off of principles. I am honest, I do not lie nor do I steal and I treat people the way I expect to be treated.


I will not be able to kill him, I do not have the skills or the knowhow to hunt him down and destroy him. But I will pay someone that does to do it for me.

You'll be able to kill him, but you might need some help. Hunting a single target is very time intensive and most players will charge high prices for it unless they know that the target will be an easy high value kill. Feel free to mail new with any intel you have on his operations, and I'll take a look, but I can't promise results. I strongly suggest you take Leto up on his offer. You might also want to mail Cannibal Kane.

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Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#36 - 2014-08-14 20:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Xanato Kaso
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You managed to tell the story without whining about it. Not only that you display a willingness to fight back as well as to learn. So, people will help you. Like Leto said we troll those who don't want to learn but have the game changed to favor them.

I'll let Leto do the heavy lifting but I do want to say:

Trust no one, there is no honor in EVE, nor should there be.



I still need an assassin to kill him. If you have ever seen any of Jason Statham's movies no matter what character he portrays, he operates on a moral compass of principles that guide him. Example, the movie Parker. I operate in a similar fashion off of principles. I am honest, I do not lie nor do I steal and I treat people the way I expect to be treated.


I will not be able to kill him, I do not have the skills or the knowhow to hunt him down and destroy him. But I will pay someone that does to do it for me.

You'll be able to kill him, but you might need some help. Hunting a single target is very time intensive and most players will charge high prices for it unless they know that the target will be an easy high value kill. Feel free to mail new with any intel you have on his operations, and I'll take a look, but I can't promise results. I strongly suggest you take Leto up on his offer. You might also want to mail Cannibal Kane.



He messaged me wanting to fight again... I convinced him to pay for my clone and part of my ships so i got some money back and will be fighting him again soon. I can use my corpies for EWAR while i dish out dps

I will have an exact time and location the fight will be taking place. I will be making a new corp for him to wardec so my corpies can participate. apparently he wants a 3/4 v 1 kind of fight.
Paranoid Loyd
#37 - 2014-08-14 20:31:20 UTC
Most likely a trap, use caution.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-08-14 20:32:10 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You managed to tell the story without whining about it. Not only that you display a willingness to fight back as well as to learn. So, people will help you. Like Leto said we troll those who don't want to learn but have the game changed to favor them.

I'll let Leto do the heavy lifting but I do want to say:

Trust no one, there is no honor in EVE, nor should there be.



I still need an assassin to kill him. If you have ever seen any of Jason Statham's movies no matter what character he portrays, he operates on a moral compass of principles that guide him. Example, the movie Parker. I operate in a similar fashion off of principles. I am honest, I do not lie nor do I steal and I treat people the way I expect to be treated.


I will not be able to kill him, I do not have the skills or the knowhow to hunt him down and destroy him. But I will pay someone that does to do it for me.

You'll be able to kill him, but you might need some help. Hunting a single target is very time intensive and most players will charge high prices for it unless they know that the target will be an easy high value kill. Feel free to mail new with any intel you have on his operations, and I'll take a look, but I can't promise results. I strongly suggest you take Leto up on his offer. You might also want to mail Cannibal Kane.



He messaged me wanting to fight again... I convinced him to pay for my clone and part of my ships so i got some money back and will be fighting him again soon. I can use my corpies for EWAR while i dish out dps

I will have an exact time and location the fight will be taking place. I will be making a new corp for him to wardec so my corpies can participate. apparently he wants a 3/4 v 1 kind of fight.


That sounds like you could have a lot of fun! Enjoy the fight!

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Xanato Kaso
Frozen Flames
#39 - 2014-08-14 20:43:16 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Most likely a trap, use caution.


Thats where you guys can come in eh?
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-08-14 21:08:16 UTC
Xanato Kaso wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Most likely a trap, use caution.


Thats where you guys can come in eh?


It would be good to go in expecting him to play dirty, and plan for it. If he does not, then cool, you can have your fun 3 on 1 fight with him. But if he pulls something funny, it would be good to have some backup ready.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.