Wormholes

Jump into k-space because you're fighting on a null/LS hole: "GUY PLS WAIT 5-10 SECONDS I HAVE TO RELOAD BECAUSE I CAN'T SHOOT MY GUNS HERE"

Pretty funny how people are coming up with false arguments.
You need 1 dread pilot and 3 more cap sitter which just warp in and go safe again to fully escalate.
One dread is shooting an escalation wave in a bit over 3 minutes. 4x3=12min to earn little bit more than what?
And since you do not run the site itself, it will respawn the next 3 days. Hm, any other wormhoe runs out of sites pretty quick.
In another thread you complain about loosing the mechanic to insta close the static which is not possible in any lower class wormhole.
No wonder you are bored and cry for content. Can you imagine that your targets don't have the income to run a srp in that dimension? In that income area any argument about the risk fielding a dread is irrellevant...
Rebalancing is not necessary. Just remove or at least fix escalations and you fix many issues in eve - also outside wh space.

PS: oh, plz dont tell me that solo escalating is not happening .. just dont plz.

Lower class income problems are not the isk per site but the spawn rate of the sites. Still is somewhat good. I live in a c3 and I could use an extra spawn or two a day.

P.S.: C4s are not lower class systems. They are.... something.

Middle class?

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Have you tried to run a corp (5-10members) in a C4 with all corp members revenue coming from anoms alone?
If one person were to solo all the sites then what exactly is left for the remaining corp members? I encourage you to approach this from a different standpoint. Don't just run a handful of sites then compare isk/hr. It just doesn't work that way. That approach would be sensible if wh sites were infinite but we all know they aren't.

Considering my alt corp is a 5 to 10 man corp who lives in a c4. most the isk is from sites although some do pi. Now on to the if one person runs all the sites, what do the others have left. This is a issue for you and your corp to sort This has no relevence on how much isk/hour sites are. If you are farming in your static. Then sites could easily be considered infinite. If your not doing anything in your static more fall you. but don't come bitching about stuff that is most likely a corp issue of yours.

I'm more than happy to hear what your different stand point is. infact why don't you just go and work out your different stand point and send me all the information.

Problem is there are so many viariable you could take in to account if you wanted. the amount of isk on the field to run sites,s the fact caps will haev to be stuck in a site due to seige or triage, the sp needed to fly stuff.isk per hour is by far the simplest way of looking at stufflike this and it might not be 100% the best way but its better than most the other ways of comparing stuff.

But one simple variable should really taken into account:
Corporations living in c1 to c4 have to leave their home and run their statics/connections, else there's no income at all for the members.
In C5/6 this is the opposite. Main income comes from farming escalations in the home system.
Seeing this together with the other changes it becomes even more imballanced. C5/6 mechanics are being kept with the argument having a dread in siege? You can't be serious about that.
C4s today are a great solo farming ground, majority of those carebears are just alts from PvP people.
We all have to pay for our pew...

I'd like to read a statement on the escalation abuse from you or Fozzie.

First advocate fixing the downtime respawn mechanic "bug" / oversight / whatever, where escalation waves fully respawn following each downtime (because the server doesn't track them). That will bring down the numbers in the C5/C6 sites down, and either force people to have (very slightly) smaller wallets, or force them into their statics for increasing payout. Probably the former, but who knows.


Because of the significant increase in asset cost on field -- 10-15 bil just to get in the door of a full escalation in a C5/C6 vs less than 2-3 bil for a 100-150m ISK/hr/char setup in a C4 -- plus the operational risks of running C5 sites, the escalations are worth keeping.

Corbexx's numbers will show what happens to site income if you take away the escalations. It's possible that you might even need to buff C5/C6 site payout if you removed escalations.


How frequently you get home sites in your C5 depends on how creative (and lucky) you can get with the mechanics and geography. Many times, you get a lot of sites merely because there are a lot of people farming for them. I agree that you should farm your static for the best ISK income potential, but the fact remains that C5s are more active than people give them credit; they're just full of (nullsec?) farmers.

Again, throttling back the escalation "bug" might be sufficient to fix this without putting a cap on constellation spawn rate.


The disparity between source of income in C1-C4 vs C5/C6 could be looked at. In the lower class systems, you're looking mostly at salvage (nanoribbons) being your primary income source. C4s are the best of the bunch for blue loot, but a bad ribbon count can still ruin an evening. In C5/C6, it's all about the blue loot. Salvage might only be 10% of the final total, which makes C5/C6 less market-dependent than C1-C4 and thus more stable of an income. The drop in nanoribbon prices? Yeah, I'd wager it's not because of all of those C1-C4 farmers or day-trippers.

A balancing pass over manufacturing and an addition of new items constructed of WH goo will go a long way toward fixing this.


I would also personally like to see Sleeper AI tweaked to behave a little more like players do. They should be the most intelligent NPCs for the most challenging PvE content in the game. W-space should be leading the effort to make running PvE sites more exciting and more engaging, rather than assigning drones to someone and afk'ing.

We all have to do it, so it might as well be something interesting, eh?

If the difficulty of the NPCs themselves are increased, we can then justify calls for increased payouts to shoot them (compared to rats in Nullsec that are stupid easy which CCP continues to buff in payouts).

Here's a crazy idea to increase low class income... Sleeper battleships spawned from capital escalations in C5/C6 space, don't drop melted nanoribbons...

Thoughts?