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What would be the best way to help new subscribers?

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Dark Magni
The Church of Awesome
#1 - 2014-08-13 22:52:48 UTC
Hi all, at the moment new players get a cerebral accelerator(i think). How could we better help them?

For example, a high grade cerebral accelerator? Or perhaps a few million unallocated sp.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-08-13 23:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
All the skill points in the world won't help you if you can't figure out what to do for fun. A new player might hop in a Rifter and have a blast (failing) at PVP while an experienced player just grinds missions to PLEX every month.

I've always thought that EVE needs more story-driven, group-oriented, structured PVE content. The openness of the EVE universe can be disorienting to new players and it would help to have sets of missions (much like the SOE epic arc) which would follow them from frigates to battleships as well as provide meaningful story content, if that's your thing. Group PVE at the moment seems to be limited to incursions and some combat sites, because it just isn't profitable elsewhere - providing challenging but rewarding group missions could fix this issue.

The tutorial system could use a bit of a rework to include video tutorials, and the wiki isn't incredibly helpful or up-to-date (this is partly a community issue but the devs should work on it too).

Ultimately: a new player should be able to leave the tutorial/career missions, pick a career path for himself (at least to start), and have some clear direction as to how to get started in that field.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#3 - 2014-08-13 23:54:33 UTC
war dec every corp that is run by a moron or doesnt care about its members until that corp is dead.

the corps that remain will be more than enough help for any noob.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2014-08-14 00:09:14 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Group PVE at the moment seems to be limited to incursions and some combat sites, because it just isn't profitable elsewhere - providing challenging but rewarding group missions could fix this issue.


Group PvE as a concept is very risky. It is highly prone to being trivialized and farmed, just like Incursions are now. An easier version that people often claim should have better loot to encourage groups would just be abused.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#5 - 2014-08-14 01:02:15 UTC
How to help new players?

Simple.

Don't lie to them about what game is like and blow them up on the first day instead of making it seem like its hello kitty online.

Stupid carebears don't have the staying power.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Rogue Lawyer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-14 01:46:29 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
How to help new players?

Simple.

Don't lie to them about what game is like and blow them up on the first day instead of making it seem like its hello kitty online.

Stupid carebears don't have the staying power.


Carebears.....they make up the general population of the game, they are mostly a voiceless mass, they don't generate the headlines that the big null sec alliances do nor to do they have a many noticeable personalities such the Mittani for the CFC or Grath Telkin for Pandemic Legion. But they do make most of the stuff that is shipped all the down there to null and seed some of the regions in Low sec.

The bear, a looked down upon creature s/he is still the one paying CCP's bills, and many of them could drag the rug from right under CCPs doing so while the rest of Eve laughs at them. Don't mock the silent mass, they are still by far and away the most powerful group in eve.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#7 - 2014-08-14 02:18:47 UTC
Rogue Lawyer wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
How to help new players?

Simple.

Don't lie to them about what game is like and blow them up on the first day instead of making it seem like its hello kitty online.

Stupid carebears don't have the staying power.


Carebears.....they make up the general population of the game, they are mostly a voiceless mass, they don't generate the headlines that the big null sec alliances do nor to do they have a many noticeable personalities such the Mittani for the CFC or Grath Telkin for Pandemic Legion. But they do make most of the stuff that is shipped all the down there to null and seed some of the regions in Low sec.

The bear, a looked down upon creature s/he is still the one paying CCP's bills, and many of them could drag the rug from right under CCPs doing so while the rest of Eve laughs at them. Don't mock the silent mass, they are still by far and away the most powerful group in eve.


While there is a measure of truth to Rogue Lawyer's post, there is also a measure of truth to Arya Regnar's.
Valkin Mordirc
#8 - 2014-08-14 03:07:01 UTC
You know if your other two post about the same idea were locked and everyone in those threads said they were bad ideas.


Why do you think it would change this time? This a redundant thread as well, do you know how many times this has been requested? Also how broken it would be, the amount of suicide catties would be hilarious.
#DeleteTheWeak
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#9 - 2014-08-14 04:48:32 UTC
The single best thing the could be done for new eve players, is make a better instruction manual. TO many things to do and to difficult to figure out how to get there.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#10 - 2014-08-14 04:57:10 UTC
Well several million SP is NOT the answer, thats just a veiled attempt at "Shave off a month or two of training from my next alt" at least the way i see it it is.

That said there should be more indepth instructions on how certain activitys are performed, some more hands on tutorials, and Honestly i thinkk CCP should put MOTD's in starter corps that feature CCP sponsored corps such as RVB, EUNI, and such. as well as maybe a link to posts that describe certain activities very well or documents / spreadsheets that would be invaluable to newer players.

Theres my 2 cents

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Tij Lamor
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-08-14 11:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tij Lamor
The best way to help new players is to encourage them to join a player corporation where they can get advice and support from more experienced players. CCP knows this and published the tremendous disparity in retention rates between those who join a player corp and those who remain in a NPC corp at Fanfest.

If we're going to consider a gift for new players, it should be a signing bonus for joining a player corporation. Ideally there should be no one except ALTS (like me) left in the NPC corporations after 30 days.

CCP could help by upgrading the corporate recruitment tab in the Neocom to make it easier for new players to find a corporation that suits their play style and by adding a tutorial.

Eve needs both Care Bear industrialist creators and PVP destroyers to complete the circle of life. It's a question of balance and the fact they seem to get equal amounts of flak from both sides suggests they've got it just about right.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-08-14 11:29:02 UTC
Dark Magni wrote:
Or perhaps a few million unallocated sp.


Are you insane?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-14 12:04:44 UTC
I was plexing my account after the 2 week trial and 4 weeks sub by using a remap and the accelerant. Nothing more is needed with the skill queue side of things. Tutorials should be turned into a range of level one missions that show players the actual skills they will need and things to watch for (gankers etc)

Depending on how the new level IV missions go I'd like to see the idea filtered down to level 1 'tutorial' style missions too.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2014-08-14 12:12:14 UTC
Explode the newbie!
Don't be a **** about it.
That's about it.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#15 - 2014-08-14 12:20:54 UTC
Give'em mining lazor and point to nearest belt.

Oh wait...

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#16 - 2014-08-14 12:43:07 UTC
Biggest problem for the newbies (depending on "school") is that the vets of N years perpetuate the partial truths (or outright lies) that effectively "force" people into playing the victims ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2014-08-14 13:57:02 UTC
Rogue Lawyer wrote:


Carebears.....they make up the general population of the game, they are mostly a voiceless mass,


they arent voiceless, they are the **** heads that tell noobs to mine to make money or log off to play other games while they earn sp. they tell ppl the best way to make a life in this game is to grind missions until they've got 100mil sp and 20bil isk because they think pvp is expensive and hard. They tell ppl to trust no one and make their own one man corp. they whine endlessly until their own playstyle is buffed and everyone elses is nerfed into the ground. They demand CCP have game mechanics and NPC's defend them rather than having to learn to defend themselves.

burn every - ******* - one of em. ill make the 'stuff' for null or null can learn to make their own.

oh look, less super caps

/rant

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-08-14 14:07:05 UTC
Every single player trying EVE is different. There is no magic solution to keep them all. Searching for a peg that fit every single different new player's hole gives us what CCP already has, a tutorial that dosen't really tell you much. The game is probably too open ended to really be supported strongly by a tutorial tho...
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#19 - 2014-08-14 15:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Attention Ehm guys, this is the third time he reopens his locked thread about the same subject in three hours. Not to mention he never participates and all other posts of his in even unreltaed threads are about free SP.

He probablyd ecided to multibox and needs a few dozen of millions of SP fast.

Don't get trolled by responding. - Rephrasing the demand into a question doesn't change the content or context.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-08-14 19:12:12 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
How to help new players?

Simple.

Don't lie to them about what game is like and blow them up on the first day instead of making it seem like its hello kitty online.

Stupid carebears don't have the staying power.

This, so much this.

A 'cold hard truths' tutorial or the like as depicted at the bottom of this is sorely needed IMHO.

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