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@CCP + Crius Team

I just realized how "stupid" the decision was to base the cost index on a per system activity. The cost index game mechanic itself is nice and adds extra game-play via competition, but the math on how the index is based per system is terrible.

Before Crius we only had distance to trade-hubs, which already resulted in a "lock-down" of systems close to trade hubs, but it did not affect production cost's and how competitive u are.

Now we have distance + cost index, which means now u have a much greater incentive to "lock-down" entire systems, by anchoring inactive towers, so u have 100% control of the system cost index. Worst even, u have incentives to lock-down multiple systems to spread the cost index even more. U even have incentives to leave systems locked and place as much towers as u can, since u may move operation every few months. So there is no reason not to leave your inactive towers anchored, just in case the system index gets low again. U could even rotate your "owned" locked systems.

So giving such huge incentives the lock-down multiple systems, just so u can have a single component/ship/equip assembly array working per system is terrible game design.

So my feedback would be to either remove the ability to lock-down systems, by anchoring inactive towers all over the place or base the cost index on average region activity and distance over x jumps. So if u stay away from high production hotspots or at the edge of a region, u still get a lower index, but not if u where "first" in a system with low moons and locked it for your corp.

So keep the incentive to spread and trade cost vs jump distance to trade-hubs, but PLZ remove the incentive to anchor gazillion inactive towers per system.


PS: I base this on the fact that from 8 low cost index systems i checked, all used this "feature", since those where new 0.8+ systems and a single corp anchored inactive towers on all moons, just so they can have 1 actual working pos.

Confirming this. If you reprocess one unit of Ice in a station, you get one unit of Strontium Clathrates, while if you reprocess one unit of Ice in a POS Reprocessing Array, you get no Strontium Clathrates, even though the efficiency by definition is better, as shown by the amounts of the other three outputs.

Edit: And my, it is annoying that you cannot see the projected output from the POS refining, no confirmation dialogue. Silly.

Thats right, mostly systems with low moon counts are "locked" atm, but keep in mind thats a simple math question. If u need 50 small towers for a "huge" system at 65m per tower, thats a 3.25b investment. Depending on your volume going from a 3-5% index, down to a 0.5-1% index might be worth the trouble. U are also not effected by potentially others, moving in.

I simply think that inactive towers should still have a reasonable cost associated, that results in towers mainly be anchored if u really need them, not to lock-down moons/systems.

So I swear I used to be able to just right click a blueprint to do research.......and why would i ever need the research and manuf UIs at the same time? Surely not enough to justify it all being on the same page with different little icons in the middle that you would never be able to find if you havent used the system.(you should have at least used tabs labled in english. I know icons are all the rage with touchscreen devices but ffs.) At least make it pop up on the research window when the bp is in a lab ffs. I am not sure how but i think you guys actually made the indy UI worse. I mean hell forcing me into 5+ clicks when i used to just have to right click and put a number in seems pretty stupid.....It looks better sure, but i kinda would like it to be functional.

I apologize if this has been covered before, i didn't want to read a Sh!tload of pages (unlike others, i have about an hour to play/post on EVE); but i wanted to express my humble (paying players) opinion.
While i apprecaite your (ccp) trying to streamline the game, as far as industry stuff, you should have done it in 'baby steps'. IMHO you went for the whole taco, and really messed it up. taking your time, would have allowed easy tranistion for all parties.
My biggest beef is the issue of Previously researched BPO's. - Both ME/PE.
I LOVE the Classic ccp line of: 'this IS the way it is' = AKA shut the fnck up and take it - BUT, many paying players, like myself, have INVESTED TIME & Resources into Researching our bpo's Beyond 10 me/pe, even to 200+.. where's our return on investment? - oh-, STFU and take it - you get 10. be happy.
While i like the fact your trying to improve the game, you (ccp) have thrown us all into one group, and screwed those of us that have made signifigant investments in our BPO's. seriously, an ME of 250, is now after the update, a 10% plus wow, thank you.
I/myself have spent Months of Real Time researching my bpo's to really high levels,m with this patch, we have ALL been lowered to the same level, 10=-250+.. what a waste of my time. how about working on that one?
If it were You......... Nevermind...
whats the point, i have vented.. enjoy your night.
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I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned or noticed this, and I made it through the first 10 pages of this thread and dozens of other threads in the S+I threads without seeing it, but many capital BPOs did not change correctly. Even after a recent patch which fixed some issues, there are still several remaining.

Specifically speaking the Archon BPO now requires an additional Capital Armor Plate at the current “fixed” level. According to https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-industry-all-you-want-to-know/ ; “The guiding goal with this translation is "no blueprint gets functionally worse" i.e. the materials needed for a single run should be the same or less after the transition.”

I had originally petitioned this, and without stating exactly what was said, they mentioned that the first run would use 11 runs but each subsequent run would come back to 10 due to some maths. Well, it is not possible to make multiple run capital BPCs. Furthermore, the dev-blog clearly states SINGLE run, not “more for the first but then reduces…..” I was informed to make my case here to bring it to the Dev’s attention as they are the only ones who can fix this.

Functionally speaking, I have spent years “perfecting” my capital BPOs and to get them back to that point will now take upwards of 200-300 days and 800m-1B+ isk.

Mja whats the use, the devs stopped reading this thread weeks ago.
The only interess you see from them is if some of their Goon- or PL-friends raises an issue

Please prove me wrong CCP

I just noticed that they have massively improved the performance of loading heat maps in PI. Thank you so much!

The Mordus ships aren't Caldari, so it's kind of obvious they shouldn't have the same colors.

Besides, I like the colors.

This is yet another plea to get rid of showing us all the dozens of greyed-out blueprints in the industry screen. It makes it rather annoying to scroll past all of them (in that tiny $@% window), to get to the blueprints we can do anything with.

Yes i know you did it so we could always know what blueprints we have...or we could just do it the way we used to find a blueprint we had in-job....by going to the 'jobs' tab....*gasp!!!!* Or, i don't know...using a 3rd party tool that can look into every single cargo-able space in the entire game...(why can't the ingame search do this yet?)