Science & Industry

For max refine/reprocess and 'zero take' for ores you need lvl 5 in Refining, Refinery Efficiency(Or new names for those skills .) and the relevant ore processing skills for the ores you dealing with. You also need 6.67 'effective', ie including effect of 'social' skills you will hopefully have learnt, to attain the 'zero take' and also have the RX-804 hardwiring fitted which gives another 4% for refining/reprocessing. Those requirements would give you the maximum yield possible when you refine ore.

If you don't have the above all is not lost and you can still make the same amount of ISK. All you have to do is, when possible, only mine the 10% varieties of ore such as Dense Veldspar etc. Tritanium is still selling at a good price so Dense Veldspar is a good choice. Then instead of refining get a small POS tower, a compression array, and some fuel and charters. Save up some ore and then put up your POS temporarily, compress your ore, then take down your POS afterwards.

Work out the maximum refine yield for your ore/s and sell the compressed ore at the price you would have received based on the maximum mineral yield value. I'll leave you to work that bit out.

You mentioned mining in low sec. Don't do that - it's dangerous but more importantly you won't make any more ISK mining there than in high sec given the increased risk of ship loss.

Note that the price that you get for raw ore can be rationally higher than the price of the minerals you can achieve in high-sec, and compressed ore could be worth even more, because of the utility gained from easier transportation.



Or you could compare that price to what people are willing to pay for compressed ore / minerals and either compress or refine depending on which is better

Before the last expansion it was never a question. You always refined.

Now you need to look at compressed ore prices and determine if it is better to refine or to compress. Minerals will either stay in highsec or compressed ores will be moved to nullsec. I haven't looked at prices for a while now but I would be very surprised if compressed veldspar did not sell at a higher price then the refined trit. Because trit is always in high demand for capital production I would be surprised if the demand for trit hasn't decreased but the demand for compressed ores being in higher demand.

The demand for Trit has indeed dropped. From 20 to 30 billion units per day, to 10ish. The price has also fallen. On the other hand, Ore prices have risen. So the tables which don't also display the ore prices (I need to update mine) aren't showing the whole picture.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=34&regionid=10000002

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Edit: B for billion.

Thanks for all the advice guys - I've just started playing, so I wasn't aware that there had been such a big change in the recent update.

Right now, I'll probably stick to just selling the basic ore, I'm not fully up to speed with the POS arrays or their skills, but now I can aim towards those. As for the ores to mine, I spent an hour or so checking out the prices for the available ores in my area and it would seem that Veldspar is essentially the best option - I can earn around 4.2mil for every full cargo hold I mine, and it doesn't require any searching at all. Scordite a few systems away will earn me 4.4mil per hold, but that's a bit harder to find, and I'd need to train the skill for Scordite crystals to use in my strip miners. If I'm right, the time spent moving around to find Scordite is better spent just settling for Veldpsar, rather than chase an extra 200k per hold.

Hi-sec miners should be compressing their ore and selling compressed ore on the market.

Supercap production is one of the highest demands of low end minerals (namely: trit). Because compression via modules is a thing of the past, supercap producers can only import trit via compressed ore. That is why you see the trit prices falling, but the ore prices rising. Trit itself is too expensive to move, so supercap producers now have zero demand for trit.

If you're mining and selling your ore in hi-sec, start compressing it and selling it for more profit.

Edit: There is definitely a shortage of compressed low ends, which is why prices keep going up. The bulk of supercap production has halted in 0.0 because of the lack of supply of compressed ore.

If you're mining ice in highsec, then yes, I'd compress it. If you're mining in null, refine at a null station and move everything except stront to market. The components from ice weigh less than the compressed block- but if you refine in empire, you're losing out on 20% of the components. Therefore, you should be able to sell blocks for more isk than the components are worth, depending on which market you're in and how far you have to move it.

Right now, setting up a pos is expensive in fuel costs and a PIA if you have to online and offline it just to compress ore. If your a lone miner it doesn't seem financially feasible.

I love reading disinformation but it does make me giggle.

First of all I will say EVE Online is still a sandbox and you can play the game however you want to and in a way that is fun for you. Whether you offer unrefined ore, minerals, or compressed ore it will invariably find a buyer wherever you base your operation. Compressed ore is 'flavour of the month' as it provides many advantages to all buyers and users except for maybe those who do not have 'perfect' refine.

I am probably damaging other peoples business by saying this but using a POS purely to compress ore is not that much of a 'PIA' to do. Also in terms of infrastructure & fuel costs it is not particularly expensive and is indeed financially feasible. Plus presuming you are not 'MIMAF' ( I despise those *******! - oops sorry. ) you can add the time cost of compressing to the sale price of the compressed ore. If you are lazy you will probably get change from 100 million ISK when buying a small tower & compression array. Or you can partially make the infrastructure yourself and save some ISK. 160,000 ISK plus a charter to run the tower for an hour will allow you to compress a LOT of ore if you have access to a freighter.

I can see now from my paragraph above that really new miners would find the above difficult & say " A hundred million ISK" . But for someone who is skilled up and has been playing for a little while and maybe is in a player corp with trustworthy corpies running a compression POS is entirely feasible in terms of logistics and ISK cost. But you don't have to do it if don't want to.

Don't be bullied - it's a sandbox.

The demand for compressed ore isn't being met by the supply The demand comes from people who are manufacturing things out in nullsec/lowsec, and need vast quantities of Trit. It used to be that they used 425mm Railgun Is to move it, so they could just buy the trit and manufacture. Now, if ore is refined, it's impossible to compress the results. Takes a lot of Trit to build a Dread, let alone a titan.