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Belt Rats Changes

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James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-08-11 23:44:31 UTC
As a career industrialist, I agree that mining is boring as ****. I moved to 0.5 space not only for the higher end ore but also the supposedly harder rats. Imagine my surprise when I get jumped by two Serpentis Frigates. How scary.

My idea is to change belt rats to be harder based on security status.

1.0 - 0.9: Rats spawn in Rookie Ships, occasional high tier frigate.
0.8 - 0.7: Rats spawn in high tier frigates, occasional dessie.
0.6 - 0.5: Frigates, destroyers, occasional cruiser.
0.4 - 0.0: Keep doing what you are doing with the Battleships.

The more powerful ships would add more difficulty to mining by forcing miners to tank their ships and even maneuver.

Another problem with this, however, is a large mining fleet ROFL-Stomping the two puny frigates as they spawn. Scale more powerful rat spawns as the number of ships in the belt increases.

Ex. 20 mining barges and 1-2 Orcas in belt: 5 frigs, 2 dessies, and a cruiser. OR 1 Battleship and a few supporting frigates.

Any suggested changes will be considered, I have also cleared out some space for the resident trolls if necessary.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#2 - 2014-08-12 03:36:43 UTC
The 'feature' you are looking for can already be found in all lowsec systems. I suggest you go there.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2014-08-12 03:51:42 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
The 'feature' you are looking for can already be found in all lowsec systems. I suggest you go there.

Well since OP is Tesla and not Edison, you can guess why such a lightbulb moment never occurred.

The real issue with belt spawns is that CODE and Goons are far more effective for the whole killing thing.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-08-12 04:16:37 UTC
My post was eaten?

Well, I can't see how that can't be abused....

*sits a bunch of useless ships in a belt to keep the miners away*

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."

Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-08-12 12:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
It is unreasonable to tank a Retriever or Covetor. The one mid slot has to be occupied by a survey scanner, else you'll be overcycling way too much. If you take a MLU out of your low slots you'll be greatly damaging your yield.

0.5 rats aren't there to be an intimidating threat, likely just to encourage barge use in those systems or something along those lines.
Kuroi Aurgnet
Cry Of Death
Almost Underdogs
#6 - 2014-08-12 15:57:29 UTC
High sec has strong enough rats they're called code

Just that hint of cynicism the world needs now and then.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-08-12 16:03:11 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
My post was eaten?

Well, I can't see how that can't be abused....

*sits a bunch of useless ships in a belt to keep the miners away*


With somewhat decent drone skills, the tanky barge can deal with 2 battleship if you are patient. Making the spawn bigger only mean more bounty for the miner. You have to be at the keyboard to add a real threat and then, it's buisness as ususal...
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#8 - 2014-08-12 16:16:13 UTC
Since this is nothing but a buff lower Hig Sec Ratting - I Saw what you did there - I say NO.

My venture turns triple cruiser spawns with frig support into Bantha poodoo with just 2 Hobos, how many do you feel should spawn to be a small challange for your orca supported exhumer fleet ? 20-30 ? well, would be a nice side income for any mining fleet or anyone for that matter.

Otherwise I could show you some 0.5 systems where you get insta blapped at the gate by 3 Hurricanes .. oh wait, that was not the afk combat you were looking for Roll.

Besides that .. ever got perma jammed by 3 frigates ? Well, go mine in Caldari space - if you don't get your drones out before that .. good luck not having to warp out °°.

Did I say "No!" ?
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
#9 - 2014-08-12 16:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: w3ak3stl1nk
I agree belt rats need more ewar to make them more challenging... That's what the OP wanted right? Guessing he didn't try to mine during an incursion either.

Is that my two cents or yours?

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-08-12 17:02:48 UTC
Kuroi Aurgnet wrote:
High sec has strong enough rats they're called code


omg .. what did rats do to you
to make you hate them so much

that you association them with code ?????
James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-08-12 18:33:38 UTC
I do LoSec mine when I need the minerals found in Jaspet.
I have never seen any CODE in my system.
If you are worried about the rat bounties, they can be nerfed in belts, I just want mining to be more difficult than Ctrl + Click & F1 F2. Also, I am a solo miner, the fleet I talked about was the fleet I find whenever I go to get some ice.
I have tried mining during an Incursion. Keyword: Tried.

All I am asking for is more difficulty. I thought people wanted more difficulty for us AFK Carebears?

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

Janjan Jansen
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2014-08-12 18:47:10 UTC
They think you want more ISK as a miner.
James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-08-12 22:07:27 UTC
Janjan Jansen wrote:
They think you want more ISK as a miner.

No, that's why I got into PI and am starting Moon Mining right now.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-08-12 23:03:27 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
I do LoSec mine when I need the minerals found in Jaspet.
I have never seen any CODE in my system.
If you are worried about the rat bounties, they can be nerfed in belts, I just want mining to be more difficult than Ctrl + Click & F1 F2. Also, I am a solo miner, the fleet I talked about was the fleet I find whenever I go to get some ice.
I have tried mining during an Incursion. Keyword: Tried.

All I am asking for is more difficulty. I thought people wanted more difficulty for us AFK Carebears?

I'm sure CODE will be happy to provide additional difficulty for your hisec mining operations. You might not even have to ask them, those generous guys just give it away all the time to total strangers from the bottom of their hearts.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-08-12 23:08:36 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:


The more powerful ships would add more difficulty to mining by forcing miners to tank their ships and even maneuver.



...No they wouldn't...

You can tank belt rats in deep null easily, why on earth do you think a couple of highsec frigs or a single cruiser would worry anyone?
James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-12 23:19:07 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:


The more powerful ships would add more difficulty to mining by forcing miners to tank their ships and even maneuver.



...No they wouldn't...

You can tank belt rats in deep null easily, why on earth do you think a couple of highsec frigs or a single cruiser would worry anyone?

Yes, you can, but you have to tank fit your ship, not yield fit. It will add more risk to the mining game for the same reward you get now.

I am kind of confused, my ORE Battleship idea got more constructive feedback than this one.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

Emma Dust
DUST DYNAMICS
#17 - 2014-08-12 23:22:36 UTC
I would like to see one BS rat, that forces miners to fight together agains it - or somethink like this.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2014-08-12 23:27:02 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
It is unreasonable to tank a Retriever or Covetor. The one mid slot has to be occupied by a survey scanner, else you'll be overcycling way too much. If you take a MLU out of your low slots you'll be greatly damaging your yield.

0.5 rats aren't there to be an intimidating threat, likely just to encourage barge use in those systems or something along those lines.


Historically, belt ratting has been a major source of income, especially in Nullsec. I think the argument that CCP shouldn't put stronger rats in the belt because it will hurt your min/maxed mining vessel is ridiculous. As it is, the belt rats in highsec are moreless pointless. Too low a bounty to be farmed for isk & loot and too weak to break the natural shield regen of anything cruiser sized or larger. Having CCP repurpose them, so they actually have an in-game effect would be a welcome change.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#19 - 2014-08-13 01:30:46 UTC
I would definitely like to see rare powerful rat spawns in highsec belts. I would not give them warp interdiction of any form.

Nothing wrong with a Retriever having to warp out in a hurry from a battleship that outmatches it, then either return in a combat ship or find a different belt.

It would reduce AFK mining and botting.

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