Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think the mordus ships have turned out as planned, with the garmur being op, and the bhargast never flown. Can we just scrap this terrible concept of point range, missile, and speed. It is a terribly op setup for a figate, and underwhelming for a battleship.

Would it be still possible to make this a min cal hybrid, and give the ships a very nice target painting bonus, combined with the missile bonus and high speed. This would make them very effective at applying their dps and would completely change the bharghest for the better.

The garmur will be fine. It can either equip them in a support role, or can just go for regular point web combo. It is the cruiser and battleship that will really benefit from this, the battleship needing it the most. I could reverse the statement you just made to "point range on a bs, wat".

I thought the useful part was scram range. Much farther reach against cruisers and slower frigates.

It was already declared in the original Mordu thread that a target painting bonus will not happen because application bonuses are being very deliberately left to Marauders.

Try learning to fly them better.

One last point - the Barghest is never flown because it costs even more than the Nestor.

Surprisingly, you know, you don't NEED to have all your modules benefit your ship alone.
If you're using a garmur as an interceptor role, by assumption you're bringing come bigger ships to come and do the DPS, bigger ships that will perhaps be benefitted by your TPs (and remember, they do help turrets aswell as missiles


Also, golems have a TP bonus, to the person directly above meself.


Although mordus really doesnt need an application bonus. Barghest has been used in some places, and after the WH changes it seems that mordus will be the gods of blackhole WHs

Fit up a Bargest like a nano-artillery Macherial. Add skirmish warfare links and some mid-grade snake implants. You will quickly find that a few Barggy with similar setups can make for a VERY nasty gang.

For example:

[Barghest, Drive-by]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Cruise Missile
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Stats (with level 5 skills)
- burns at ~1700 m/sec (~2000 m/sec with Mid-grade Snakes and Zor's Hyperlink) (~2500 m/sec with Mid-grade Snakes, Hyperlink, and Skirmish Links) (~3900 m/sec with High-grade Snakes, Hyperlink, and Skirmish Links, and overloaded)
- has ~39,000 effective hitpoints w/ ~290 dps tank (~42,000 ehp w/ ~580 dps tank using Standard Blue Pill and Siege Links)
- capacitor power lasts ~2.8 minutes with everything on (almost 7 minutes with scram and heavy neut off)
- Warp disruptor range is ~45km... Scram range ~16k (57km and 21km with Skirmish Links) (67km and 25km with links and overloaded)
- deals ~650 paper dps @ ~110 km

Granted... this ship will need a bit of support to deal more applied damage (looking at you Huggin and Rapier)... then again... a Machieral doing the same thing isn't terribly effective either (most it can do is pop some random frigates that haven't learned not to burn straight at it).

Then there is the price issue.

Regardless... holyshititfliesfasterthansomecruisersevenwithoutgimmickystuff.

Very good point, I had completely forgot about the Golem. I was thinking of the Vargur which is the one I usually fly, and that doesn't have it.

I still class a target painter as ewar. A damage application bonus would be something like 5% reduction is explosion radius per level.

If nothing is changed with the bonuses, then I would at least like to see the point range bonus only affecting scrams, not long range disruptors, as that is game breaking with the Garmur. Then you could boost one of the missile bonuses, perhaps a 5% explosion velocity reduction like the typhoon (which isn't a marauder).

It is mainly for the Garmur in which I think long range point bonus is overpowered. If the bonus only applied to warp scramblers then it would mean the Garmur would have to make a choice, either go a bit closer to get a scram, or go ultra long and fire missiles from range. At the moment it can do both at the same time which is what makes it OP.

As for the Barghest, I'm mainly going by numbers and what other players are saying as don't have enough direct experience as to whether it is good or not, but the general opinion that seems to come through is that it is underwhelming, and the point range bonus isn't that useful.

So in summary, change the point range to affect only scramblers, and then perhaps increase the damage bonus a bit further to 6% / 7.5% or something similar. I think that would balance out the whole faction, and also mean you still need to use a gallente recon to get the ultra long disruptor range on which it is a lot more balanced.

Price is likely the sole reason you are not seeing more barghest being used. The warp speed handicap is considerable, but I doubt that would prevent their use.

And while I can't say for sure you would ever see people making fleets of them, you will surely occasionally see a few show up. Hell, you see a lot of faction battleships like navpocs being used in big fleets and barghest can outperform those wickedly (tank, dps, range, utility, all these at the same time)...


Edit: Also Ballz.

There simply isn't enough supply for pirate battleships to show up in fleet doctrines. Also balls.