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Bullock Brawn
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-08-12 17:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bullock Brawn
The people have spoken with an overwhelming love of piracy ..... Arrrgg .... thanks for the comments. Twisted
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-08-12 17:58:31 UTC
Show us on the doll where the bad men in highsec touched you...





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Bullock Brawn
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-08-12 17:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bullock Brawn
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Show us on the doll where the bad men in highsec touched you...

Give me back my doll...... sorry no kill mails on this toon yet.

I don't PVP much with any toon ATM... just troll the forums.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-08-12 18:03:48 UTC
Bullock Brawn wrote:
allow them to file a claim against the Pirate character for their wrong doing


So your solution is litigation in a game about blowing up spaceships? Roll

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-08-12 18:30:25 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Bullock Brawn wrote:
allow them to file a claim against the Pirate character for their wrong doing


So your solution is litigation in a game about blowing up spaceships? Roll

ArchAge has a Jury system that is ABSOLUTELY FRAKIN HILARIOUS to watch. YES its biased, YES they always give the death penalty or equivalent (even for "littering"), but with everyone able to see Trial:Chat, its the most entertaining thing on the planet when your bored doing something semi-passive.

I see no reason not to implement a jury system in EVE, if only because it would cause more carebear tears than anyone could imagine. (No, i did not read OP's proposal, just decided to start ranting after i saw the word litigation in your post and it reminded me)
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-08-12 18:40:28 UTC
Bullock Brawn wrote:



Cry Victims of Piracy have no restitution payment if Pirate wants to reform and gain
what other High Sec players have earned. They only get kill rights, for revenge. Otherwise,
not a profitable venture. Bounties are worthless, as most already know and just cost more expense to victim.




This should help.

May I have your stuff?
Bullock Brawn
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-08-12 18:41:11 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Bullock Brawn wrote:
allow them to file a claim against the Pirate character for their wrong doing


So your solution is litigation in a game about blowing up spaceships? Roll



If it was just a game of blowing up spaceships, I would agree with your intent. A ballistic solution isn't the only form of engagement, just so you know. It would seem that there are a number of other things to do in this game besides total annihilation.TwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted

Yes, bring in the Attorney......another pirate to fight pirates.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-08-12 18:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
1. Wrong forum (as usual)

2. EvE is not a civil society

3. Highsc players should not know that going into lowsec or nullsec means they can get blown up. They should know that undocking anywhere means they can get blown up.

So for you, getting paid ISK for being blown up fixes immersion?

That's whacked.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#9 - 2014-08-12 18:52:24 UTC
So the issue here, is that the OP is lazy and wants CCP to reduce any work he needs to do.

No and wrong forum.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-08-12 19:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Bullock Brawn wrote:


EVE Immersion: High Sec players know that going into Low or Null Sec could mean ship/pod death and they are asked by the player community to accept this rule set, due to lower security restrictions. However, Pirate Characters do not have such restrictions. They can gain back security status by simple buying the Clone tags on market. They are considered good standing citizens again...


This is where I stopped reading, because you just compared 2 things that aren't even slightly related. You compared apples to race cars.

High Sec players don't automatically get shot just for jumping into low or null. Also, there are numerous ships modules and tactics that allow people in high sec to travel safely outside of high sec at will. Warp Core stabs and ships with built in warp core stabs, the MWD/Cloak Trick, any ship that can warp cloaked like the Stratios and Prospect, nullified tech3s, ANY interceptor, connecting wormholes, Jump Freighters (that can jump out of HS just not back in) etc etc etc.

Seems to me trying to make this insane comparison is yet another example of the most privileged players of the game (high sec residents) trying to find a way to claim victimhood yet again.
Jade Blackwind
#11 - 2014-08-12 19:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Edit: Never mind, move along, nothing to see here.

Good luck to you OP.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#12 - 2014-08-12 19:26:02 UTC
This makes no sense from either a lore or gameplay perspective.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-08-12 19:27:19 UTC
I like how people abuse the words "it should mean something".

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#14 - 2014-08-12 19:28:45 UTC
1) wrong forum

2) the only thing I will say after glancing at this is I agree, but only that the bounty hunting/anti pirate profession needs another pass of buffs.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-08-12 19:37:37 UTC
lol roleplayers

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-12 19:37:48 UTC
Why would I ever pay the restitution amount? I don't understand? My -10.00 is my eyepatch, my big black hat.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2014-08-12 19:44:12 UTC
No. Just hire some mercs. It's much the same thing as a lawyers, only with less chintzy shoes.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2014-08-12 19:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Bullock Brawn wrote:
The goal of any civil society is to have structure and balance for it's
economy to thrive. Our utopia allows people to reform, but not without cost.

You went wrong at the underlined parts.

New Eden is a dystopian society... and definitely not a "civil" one.
This is evidenced by the numerous reports of slavery, mass murder and genocide, corruption, assassination, freakish genetic manipulation, insane and bloodthirsty AI's, cheap cost of life, blackmail, subterfuge, cloning only for the rich and wealthy, and amputating one's own body in the name of fashion.

Bullock Brawn wrote:
EVE Immersion: High Sec players know that going into Low or Null Sec could mean ship/pod death and they are asked by the player community to accept this rule set, due to lower security restrictions. However, Pirate Characters do not have such restrictions. They can gain back security status by simple buying the Clone tags on market. They are considered good standing citizens again...

BUT .. no restitution is required to their victims?

Clone tags cost a pretty penny because they can only be found in low-sec systems where all the ship/pod death stuff happens... and hunting for them yourself take a lot of time... which increases the chances you will experience ship/pod death stuff.

Failure to procure or afford these tags means that the people with low security status can be shot at by anyone, anywhere, at any time.
Plus the faction police pursue and shoot at said people, giving any "vigilante" minded players an extra edge to take down any low security deviants.


Basically... there is no "restitution" for anyone in this game... just penalties and more penalties with a side serving of player allowed penalties.



Bullock Brawn wrote:
Twisted Pirates can get security status back far too easy by killing rats or buying tags.
Cry Victims of Piracy have no restitution payment if Pirate wants to reform and gain
what other High Sec players have earned. They only get kill rights, for revenge. Otherwise,
not a profitable venture. Bounties are worthless, as most already know and just cost more expense to victim.


Have you ever tried hunting for clone soldier tags? It is simple task, yes... but it is not easy.
Again... there is no mechanical restitution for anyone in this game. It is just penalties and more penalties to make other penalties go away... which does not negate other penalties (see: if a person has killrights on them, then it will not matter how good their sec status is... activating them will make them a free target for everyone!).
Try creating a system that players with alt characters and friends cannot make a profit from then.


Bullock Brawn wrote:
KILL RIGHTS OPTION: Allow Victim Players to have another option for kill rights. Instead of only selling the rights or acting on them, allow them to file a claim against the Pirate character for their wrong doing. The amount of the estimated loss is put on the Pirates head as a restitution bounty. This bounty would have to be paid in order for the character to return their High Sec Status. Should the pirate pay the bounty, the victim's claim is paid to the victim. Claims run out and would have to be renewed if the victim is still seeking financial justice; after some time the right to renew is revoked.

You are aware that this will only serve to dissuade casuals from even trying ganking and ENCOURAGE professional gankers to step up their efforts... right?

Because in the circles I run with... having a high bounty is a badge of honor and measurement of e-peen size.


Bullock Brawn wrote:
If you're going to be a criminal in EVE, it should mean something. Then a 50 billion ISK status bounty actually shows off a little more guts/clout in the criminal world, and lets the player live with their actions. As is, the system is not working as any real society would allow. Where's the advocate f

Again... try to create a system where a player with a huge bounty does not simply get his/her nameless alt or unaffiliated friend to blow up his/her cheapo ship and pod to get the bounty and split the profits.

How did you Veterans start?
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#19 - 2014-08-12 19:59:01 UTC
Posting in a stealth nerf the New Order thread and loling

So, which of your toons got ganked and were you at the keyboard in the first place when it went down?
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-08-12 20:00:00 UTC
Justice in EVE relies on a single, very simple principle.

Revenge.

Now go get it.
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