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Increase C4 site income

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2014-08-11 18:59:45 UTC
With the super highway/ PVP best friends changes coming. It's time that C4 sites got their blue loot isk quantities doubled. Frontier barracks should be 132m isk, Sleeper information Sanctum = 128m, Frontier Command Center = 120m, & IT = 115m. This will enable larger groups to be able to actually live there & "FUND PVP" activities.

Allow carriers & freighters {not dreads} to jump through any C4 holes that link to C4+.
Toned down Carrier Escalations, maybe like 6 safeguards spawned for the first, 8 for the second. Make the safeguards ewar immune to discourage dread use.

Side Note: anyone know the new static combo's.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2 - 2014-08-11 19:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
I agree that the values of C4 wormholes needs to be addressed, in fact all lower class wormholes need attention here if we wish people to be able to live here and finance PVP through working their home system.

I do not agree with changing the mass limits though, It will already be a serious disruption of occupants life as it is, that will just put them over the edge, and make them nothing but an empty freeway.

I think it is part of the philosophy of wormhole life, that we will discover the mechanics for ourself, but I would Strongly believe that a lot will gain a C2 static.

That would be the most balanced and lead to the most vibrancy.

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Ziirn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-08-11 19:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziirn
Can you still solo some sites in tengu and run all sites with 2xRR tengu 15-20min ish (per site)? (non data-relic)

If above is correct I think the sleepers need to be a bit harder in some way to up the ISK in c4's. When I used to run em it was pretty good isk/hour. Granted that is over 2+ years ago now and stuff have changed.

As for carrier and freighters in the hole it's not something I'm against but I would think that C4 wh's would become way jucier targets and that is what most c4 peeps seem to not want.
If they want to do escalations they could just move to a C5, theres plenty of empty ones or with offline towers.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-08-11 20:18:44 UTC
C4 site's aren't all that bad. Move the spawns a little closer and they would be fine.

I mean I've had Data sites where the last spawn was so far away it spawned off grid.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-08-11 20:37:12 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
but I would Strongly believe that a lot will gain a C2 static.


There will be 54 c4> c4/c2 wormholes total. Confirmed by fozzie on dtp
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-08-11 20:43:08 UTC
Check corbexx blog, he is making a list of what people earn in what class of wormholes.
So that good comparisons are possible.
After that it will be quite easy to show CCP where the lack in rewards are.
Maybe you should give him a hand?

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-11 21:50:50 UTC
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-11 21:53:27 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.


C4 sites are attually some of the best out there.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#9 - 2014-08-11 23:05:37 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
C4 site's aren't all that bad. Move the spawns a little closer and they would be fine.

I mean I've had Data sites where the last spawn was so far away it spawned off grid.

I have had those off-grid spawns as well, I don't know what CCP is using to dictate the spawns on C4 Data/Relic sites but I think they have a "feature" in the code somewhere that could use some addressing.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-11 23:31:16 UTC
If we assume that less people are going to be farming after the patch, the value of sleeper salvage should go up anyway Big smile

... Then when T3s get nerfed into the ground, it will fall right back down Cry

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Blake Nosferatu
Phoenix of the Black Sun
#11 - 2014-08-11 23:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Blake Nosferatu
corbexx wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.


C4 sites are attually some of the best out there.


I think Adriana means to include escalation isk in c5's which is about a bil isk vs the normal atm 80 mil per site in c4's. Now there will be more traffic aka more risk there should be more reward which I agree. Also please ccp fix the broken c4 relic/data sites. After a can has been hacked successfully the next waves usually don't spawn. C1's and c2's definitely need a boost in isk. C3's atm seem good were they are. You can make almost the same amount in a c3 with a tengu as a golem in a c4 atm. Im for keeping the mass limitations as they are in c4's.
Bleedingthrough
#12 - 2014-08-11 23:44:34 UTC
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
corbexx wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.


C4 sites are attually some of the best out there.


I think Adriana means to include escalation isk in c5's which is about a bil isk vs the normal atm 80 mil per site in c4's. Now there will be more traffic aka more risk there should be more reward which I agree. Also please ccp fix the broken c4 relic/data sites. After a can has been hacked successfully the next waves usually don't spawn. C1's and c2's definitely need a boost in isk. C3's atm seem good were they are. You can make almost the same amount in a c3 with a tengu as a golem in a c4 atm. Also I agree no caps should be able to travel through c4's .


You are talking about different things here. ISK/h is ok compared to other lowclass WHs but as soon as your corp grows a bit you might need to crush a lot to find a static with enough total amount of isk in it to be worth the effort.
Blake Nosferatu
Phoenix of the Black Sun
#13 - 2014-08-12 00:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Blake Nosferatu
Maybe if one of my statics is a c4 that would not be a issue? Maybe myself and my corp do not want to deal with caps and that's why we like the lower class wh life. The corp growing vs isk income does not bother me as it might have in the past due to these nice changes coming up. :)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-08-12 00:49:28 UTC
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
corbexx wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.

C4 sites are attually some of the best out there.

I think Adriana means to include escalation isk in c5's which is about a bil isk vs the normal atm 80 mil per site in c4's. Now there will be more traffic aka more risk there should be more reward which I agree. Also please ccp fix the broken c4 relic/data sites. After a can has been hacked successfully the next waves usually don't spawn. C1's and c2's definitely need a boost in isk. C3's atm seem good were they are. You can make almost the same amount in a c3 with a tengu as a golem in a c4 atm. Im for keeping the mass limitations as they are in c4's.

I'm counting escalations too.
ISK per account on C5/6 escalations is only slightly higher than solo C4s and then only if youre running them with minimum numbers which most people do not.
You also need to commit a fleet that is way more skill intensive and is worth probably 10x as much as whatever ship youre running C4s solo in.

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TomyLobo
U2EZ
#15 - 2014-08-12 07:42:31 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
C4s are pretty high up there solo ISK/hour wise, second only to C5s. Doubling it is extremely over the top and no you should not be able to jump caps into C4s.
C2s are FAR more important to address.
In any case, it's being worked on.

Because everyone living in a C4 is solo...
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#16 - 2014-08-12 07:58:18 UTC
He's mad because he can't sustain his corp off home sites. He doesn't want to have to run sites in his static. He wants the Thanatos he spent weeks building to not be worthless.

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#17 - 2014-08-12 08:15:08 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
He's mad because he can't sustain his corp off home sites. He doesn't want to have to run sites in his static. He wants the Thanatos he spent weeks building to not be worthless.


You're grossly mistaken. When I did live in C4-C4, I ran sites in both my home & statics. I never got jumped/ganked/killed while running statics. Never built a cap in my home wh. I did leave C4 space when I started running C5 sites. My basic C4 comp of 2 domis & logi only needed boosts to run C5 sites in a cata successfully. Once I discovered the insanity that is cap escalations, even with only swapping out carriers, I never went back.
Meytal
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-08-12 12:37:41 UTC
Having a C4 static, I'm all for improving the income potential in C4 system. They don't need it, but I'm sure as heck not going to complain if they get it.

I'd say first to look at lower class income, and then to address the fact that the only use for Sleeper salvage and WH gas is for a single line of ships that CCP wants to nerf into the ground. Maybe once they finish fixing what ain't broke, they'll get around to fixing what is.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#19 - 2014-08-12 17:01:07 UTC
Meytal wrote:
Having a C4 static, I'm all for improving the income potential in C4 system. They don't need it, but I'm sure as heck not going to complain if they get it.

I'd say first to look at lower class income, and then to address the fact that the only use for Sleeper salvage and WH gas is for a single line of ships that CCP wants to nerf into the ground. Maybe once they finish fixing what ain't broke, they'll get around to fixing what is.


I tend to agree with this, and on the subject of WH loot only being used for T3 production maybe it is time to add to the "T3/WH" line of products. I would like to see the Sleeper missiles being added to the player arsenal, I don't really know about stats but you could even make them disallowed in K-space due to some "interference" with the local/Concord network that prevents them from locking targets. This would allow them to be a small type of WH-only content, and even if they aren't limited to WH's I would still like to see them added to the game. The mystery surrounding Sleeper tech would allow the Dev's to create some real off-the-wall uses for Sleeper missiles. Just a thought, and I know it has plenty of holes in it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-08-12 17:10:34 UTC
Meytal wrote:
Having a C4 static, I'm all for improving the income potential in C4 system. They don't need it, but I'm sure as heck not going to complain if they get it.

I'd say first to look at lower class income, and then to address the fact that the only use for Sleeper salvage and WH gas is for a single line of ships that CCP wants to nerf into the ground. Maybe once they finish fixing what ain't broke, they'll get around to fixing what is.




I would agree with the lower class WH income. To be fair though the comment about nerfing T3's into the ground was made what like 2 years ago at this point? It was made by someone other than CCP Fozzie, and a lot of other balancing has happened in the meantime which may make that comment no longer valid.
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