Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Two things:
1) I can't remember the last time I saw a (pvp) vindi in null. I'm sure it happens somewhere, but I haven't seen it. Doesn't exactly bode well for the nestor, does it?

2) A vindi is currently 854 mil in jita. In order for a nestor to go down to 854 mil from 1.4 bil, you would need to depress SoE LP/Isk conversion and Nexus Chip/isk conversion by 39%. This would imply a Stratios goes from 289 mil --> 176 mil and an Astero goes from 78 mil --> 47 mil.

While I would love to see a stratios that is cheaper than an ishtar, it ain't gonna happen.

Care to make a wager?

Two months, if the nestor is down to 854 mil or less, I'll buy you one. If the Nestor is above 854 mil, you buy me one. Sound good?

If I understood the first post correct CCP is increasing the drop rate of the battleship chips from faction drones. So I would not excpect the price of the SOE cruiser and frigate to change much other than the regular market pressures.

No one in their right mind was taking Nestors from the LP store anyway.

Subcap sized/gate traveling Wreckingball if fit right :P

We have the same people who didn't like the marauder changes vs the people who actually fly battleships in pvp.

Kudos to the developers on the Nestor... for trying. I think they are just as painted into a corner in balancing and role-ing this ship as the players are in finding a role for it.

The first problem may have come when the Nestor departed from the template of the SoE modus operandi of the Astero and Stratios. Should have seen that coming when there was no BC hull too. There should have been a BC-sized hull along the lines of the frigate and cruiser, with comparable capabilities, and then see what happened with that. Perhaps, along the lines of other battle cruisers, have link capabilities or some specialized link capabilities where scanning, hacking, etc are known ("hack booster", etc.)

But that did not happen.

So here comes the Nestor. If I found a way to transmit email on tachyons and send an image of an SoE battleship to myself 5 years ago, I would have been stoked. If I sent the stats on it, I would have been confused.

Like now.


The Nestor was a departure. An expensive one to boot. For the price of it, it should be able to warp cloaked, but was there a fear of screaming and crying over imbalance from people who already invest in the blackops? The Nestor does not compare in any respect but even at a stretch, a "logi capable BLOPS ship" would not be a bad thing. (and I hate BLOPS drop as much as anybody else TBH)

The frigate and cruiser had a dose of SoE backstory and mission to it. Then the Nestor comes as a "wormhole ship". Yet players were honing specialized wormhole fits with other hulls since 2009. If the Nestor was introduced in 2009 or early 2010 it would have been great. But now here comes a ship that's quite expensive yet there are other and far cheaper ships that do the same job.


At this point I can't even say what the Nestor should have or be able to do, or what I could do with it. The worst part is the price. It's a gank magnet. I've been to hostile space in T1 exploration fit battle cruisers and seldom come home empty handed and have seen a lot of crews go by with little more than a glance with combat probes. But if they see a Nestor on D-scan, they'll batphone it. It was bad enough with "ahhh an astero on D-scan! Let's kill it! It's only a frigate but that's a boost of my stats and I can kill a frigate!" and now the Nestor "Hey guys, a Nestor! Drop what you are doing!".

No thanks. I can prevent being a target of opportunity, a matter of doing something dumb on my part that keeps me from doing what I'm out there to do. But being in a Nestor means stat-hungry players who would normally pass me up will be gunning for me especially..

... in a ship that can't warp cloaked and has the same hacking/anal bonuses as other ships already in use (not even considering rigging). Read: do the job cheaper.

The fitting bay is a good idea. Anything that adds value to an already expensive hull is a good thing. But this also makes it a ship more geared for group play. All well and good but now it's a juicy AWOX prize and BS level hit points (being a BS) on something that has to be exposed to other players means I would not use this ship unless everybody I was playing with were in the same RL room with me and known as a best friend since high school.


In due time I think this ship will find a place and a role. Hopefully it's not so written off by then that positive changes are left unnoticed.

At least it wont be the worst battleship, that place is reserved for the bhargest.

In all seriousness though, I really like the idea of a fitting bay along with repping ability and good drone dps. If Ccp could be lazer focused with sticking t this concept then we d have a very nice unique battleship.

If you want to make the Nestor commonly used, give it a 5000m3 cargo bay instead so you can run two cap boosters to fuel the remote reps for an extended period.

It's already a 1000 DPS Oneiros, the main problem is it can only be that for a couple minutes until the cap boosters run out.

that kind of sounds like you want it too have warfare links .. skirmish and information warfare links

hmm only 5k Ship Maintenance Bay?
..for 1 shuttle