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Am I a serviceable PvP'er?

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Farsiris Arbosa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-08-11 23:22:14 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/character/94178346/

Tell me, in all bluntness and honesty, if I look like a serviceable PvP'er to you.

As a little background:

About 90% of my encounters have been solo, and my first 5 or so months were actually spent doing that exclusively. I have had over 100 solo encounters, although in spite of this I've only had one solo kill, ever. For two months after that I was an explorer, and then went back to solo PvP again.

I have been in a few corps, not many.

I have been playing for a total of 9 months now.

Do I look like a decent PvP'er for my age?

Be brutally honest. If I'm great, say so. If I'm honestly the worst player you've ever laid eyes upon then say that. I'm not looking for comments to stroke my e-peen to.

Go.

Look at my sig, my sig is amazing

Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#2 - 2014-08-11 23:31:39 UTC
Forget about what you think you look like or what others think you look like. Find a corp that suits your needs, get them to help you with simple and cheap fittings if need be, and go out. Strive to find small fights. As you start to feel more comfortable with things like heat management, manual piloting, and ammo switching then progress onto more elaborate fits like active or kiting. Keep things simple at first though so you have fewer things to think about. Blaster boats with scram/mwd are perfect for this sort of thing. Also, spend time playing with pyfa/eft and studying ships. The most helpful thing to a solo or small group PVPer is to study enough so that when you see a ship on d-scan you can immediately imagine the two most popular fits for it and what their capabilities are. It can be a slog at first, but study, practice, and hang in there.
Farsiris Arbosa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-08-11 23:36:50 UTC
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Forget about what you think you look like or what others think you look like


I still want to know.

Look at my sig, my sig is amazing

Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-08-11 23:53:18 UTC
You are neither the worst, nor the best. You are not a special flower - just like the rest of us. Take your lumps, dish out your own. You're doing fine.

Also, you've destroyed more ISK than you lost, so in some eyes, that's a yes.

You've lose more fights than you've won, so in some eyes, that's a no.

Pick whichever you want and try to have fun. Do not let others dictate your value.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2014-08-12 00:56:23 UTC
Yes, you do look fat in that dress.

Come on man, the only one who can judge you is yourself and maybe your friends, but not a bunch of forum dwellers.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2014-08-12 01:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
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Am I a serviceable PvP'er?

Hmmm... iono kid. Drop ta yo knees and lets see how well u do... while shootin dat dere ship o'er yonder! Blink


Okay... okay... I'll be serious.

PvP is more of a "mentality" than anything else. And it looks like you have it. You may not be racking up the kills, but dammit you are trying!

To get "good" simply requires time, experience, and a little more specialized knowledge of fits/tactics... the latter two of which can be taught by people who are more experienced (which again, you are seeking... kudos to you).

Try talking with some of the guys you engage and ask them question to see how you can improve yourself. If they like your personality, they may invite you to join their little group.
Or try to join up with groups that are active in Faction Warfare... or take some "PvP classes" from Agony Unleashed... or just keep an eye out for public PvP fleets (there are a few out there... I just can't remember their names).



edit: also... on your killboard... wtf what that Mammoth trying to do with all those Sensor Dampeners???? Goddamn!
Farsiris Arbosa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-12 02:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Farsiris Arbosa
Stop beating around the bush. If I suck, just say so.

I know you're trying to be nice but I'm sick of the "You're okay!!!! You only have yourself to compare to! Everyone's a winner!" stuff. If you really think I'm a poor pilot just say so instead of sugarcoating it.

Thank you for trying to help, though. But I want honesty.

Look at my sig, my sig is amazing

Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#8 - 2014-08-12 03:40:17 UTC
Stop brushing aside our praise mate, it seems you are wanting us to say you suck because that is what you believe and won't think at all otherwise. You do not suck, as fluffers said, pvp is a mentallity, and you have it. Keep at it, and find a like minded group.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2014-08-12 03:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
Stop beating around the bush. If I suck, just say so.

If killboard stats are your measure, then yes - you currently suck at killboards.

Does that make you a bad pvper?

Hopefully I can help you answer that for yourself.

It's clear that you fly the same ship for a while before switching. So when you lose a ship, do you make the same basic moves over and over and over, never changing your approach to a fight?

If your answer is yes - then you suck at pvp.

If your answer has even some aspect of no - then you are just still learning and you have the right attitude. Learning is the most important aspect and combined with experience of different situations, you'll eventually start improving your kill:loss ratio. This means you don't suck (although as a solo boat, the rifter does suck at pvp these days).
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-08-12 04:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Alright... lemme be blunt...

You half-suck.

You suck because (from the looks of it) you are flying face first into groups of more experienced players and their friends.

You do not suck because you keep going out there and trying.


Look... we have ALL been where you are.
My first forays into PvP involved getting in shitfit T1 frigates with meta 2 modules... (which was expensive for me at the time)... and then suiciding myself into deathballs of gunfire I had no business being in... all on the hope I could warp disrupt a hostile ship and live long enough for the people who took me in as a newbie to kill said hostile and give me some share of the loot.

Even today, with a wealth of knowledge, experience, ships, and money to draw from that most people in EVE do not have... I STILL think I am a terrible PvPer (and probably still am in some respects).


THAT is the honest truth. No matter what you do or bring to the fight... there is always SOMEONE out there who can come along and smash you.


EVE is basically a perpetual "rat race." So stop thinking there is a way to be "good." You are already there. You just need friends, experience, and learn the ability to adapt tactics to changing circumstances at this point.


edit: OP... follow the link in my signature. It's full of stories of veteran players derping around when they were "green" players.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#11 - 2014-08-12 16:43:27 UTC
You need to pick your engagements much more carefully. Your track record shows you as desperate or foolhardy -- neither of which are trademarks of reliable pilots.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#12 - 2014-08-12 18:01:48 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
Stop beating around the bush. If I suck, just say so.

.


Yes. You suck.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-08-12 20:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Some of your fits are a bit wonky. Some tips

-Small shield extenders are pretty useless. Try to ram on a medium (fitting skills might help)
-Use ancillary shield boosters. Normal shield boosters suck cap (especially a medium sized one on a dessy Shocked)
-Ancillary armor reps are generally more useful than normal reps for solo work as they rep more upfront

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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#14 - 2014-08-12 21:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Having a quick browse through your killboard, you suck, but not in a "don't know your ass from your hand" way, but from "You're a noob and making some noob mistakes".

This is a realization I came to when I was a new player: If you are new, you can't go for tank and gank fits: other people with more SP will just destroy you. You need to be crafty, and that generally means using some kind of ewar, or making a ship that has a specific strength (like a dual web scram kiting rail ship for example).

For example, back when the rifter was king of the frigates, I would put a tracking disruptor on it instead of a web. And I would either orbit tight with tracking speed, or kite with barrage and tracking range disruption depending on what I was fighting. And know when to apply heat!

As a noob (and this still works as a vet with lots of SP) you need to design your solo pvp ships with a special, hidden advantage. A triple neuting tristan (and then fight things that need cap to fire). A scram kiter (something with railguns, and then pick fights with blaster ships). Armor tanked hookbills are especially mean at this with 5 midslots to grab scram, AB, 2x web and a td and you can scram kite like a boss.

Basically - don't fit for good dps numbers and good tank numbers: Rather, fit for something that can exploit a weakness in a specific type of opponent, and then go try and fight that type of opponent (Looking up the opponent on battleclinic before fighting them to try and get an idea of what they might be fit like is a good tactic as well).
Farsiris Arbosa
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-08-13 02:54:32 UTC
I'm getting a few honest answers now. Thank you.

I hate it when people pull the "You have perserverence! Try your best and you're wonderful!" routine on me. If I'm a dumb piece of crap you have every right to say so.

I was fairly certain I was a terrible pilot but I decided to get a second opinion just in case by some miracle I was crazy and was actually passable. But judging by the responses I was right.

Thank you for the input.

Look at my sig, my sig is amazing

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-13 06:33:47 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
I'm getting a few honest answers now. Thank you.

I hate it when people pull the "You have perserverence! Try your best and you're wonderful!" routine on me. If I'm a dumb piece of crap you have every right to say so.

I was fairly certain I was a terrible pilot but I decided to get a second opinion just in case by some miracle I was crazy and was actually passable. But judging by the responses I was right.

Thank you for the input.


Why must you degrade yourself. Not everyone is a MASTER RACE PVPER WITH 100% KB EFFICIENCY FROM BIRTH TO BIOMASS. Everyone is terrible at some point. It's just a question of how long will they stay terrible at it.

On the side not I'm sure you're the perfect sub for some doms out there.Roll

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-08-13 08:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Don't worry too much if you suck, we all suck at this game and most of us hide behind our friends to pad our killboards, this admittedly includes me, though I do often show that I can respond correctly in a given situation both in theory and in practice even when alone.

OK, so in all honesty this is what I see.

You say you have done primarily solo pvp, true. But in the first four pages I didn't see any solo fight where you got a kill and a lot where you got killed by a solo pilot. A lot of this comes from your fittings.

One in particular I looked at (I did not check most of them) you lost an AC Thrasher to a blaster Comet. You mixed a weak shield booster with a medium extender and had no point fitted, that isn't really going to work for anything. MWD, point web and an armor tank probably would have made all the difference, alternatively MWD, point and shield extender can work (In FW space consider using an AB as well since it's easier on cap and you are likely to get scrambled inside FW plexes and when scrammed and webbed the AB really helps you apply damage). Also T1 guns and ammo are really bad for your dps, use meta 4 guns if you can't use T2 and use faction ammo, once you can use T2 guns you should always use them and carry T2 ammo and learn when it's appropriate to use T2 instead of faction ammo.

The shield booster has little impact and will drain your cap very quickly especially with low skill points when you don't have good cap or shield compensation skills. My guess is that he orbit you at 500 m and you were unable to track very well while his own web and superior tracking of blasters + drones and the fact that you used meta 0 guns with T1 ammo probably meant his DPS was considerably higher than yours and that's why you lost. You probably tried to orbit him as well which doesn't work at all against a target that is faster than you and had you webbed (he was likely AB/scram/web fit in FW space), it allows him to maximize his transversal while your ship pretty much spins in place unable to get started in an orbit due to the big disparity in speed. If this was the case then what you needed to do was double click in space so there would be legs of his orbit where his transversal drops allowing you to hit him (the faster you can move the bigger your damage window will be which ties into the AB comment above) and a web would have ruined him.

The times where you get kills you are in a group which is fine, most of us do that. What you need to do is get into a corp that has some people who know what they are doing and get them to help you learn what you are doing wrong both with fittings and with tactics. It takes a very long time to identify your mistakes if you don't know what they are and trial and error in this game is very taxing. Better yet if you are really ambitious get recording software and record your fights and see where you are taking the most damage. Things happen quickly and you can often miss what you did wrong in real time, otherwise you might have done it better.

After 5 years I still feel like I suck despite the fact that I've started FRAPS in some fights trying to get a black box on my death and wound up winning in a 3v1. All I see on the playback though is mistakes made, just apparently I'm pretty good at exploiting the mistakes of others as well but apparently I had good teachers because I do SEE what I'm doing wrong and over time these mistakes get fewer and farther between. I once recorded myself fighting 4 frigates in a solo rail Brutix and didn't bother to load Javelin ffs. Somehow I killed 3 of them before the last warped off, so like I said we all suck at this. What I lack is confidence (no idea what my problem is) and often need even a single wingman to get brave (I'll be much more willing to take a 2v4 than a 1v2 as I don't want to leave my buddy hanging), you on the other hand have no problem with the bravery side, you just need knowledge and experience which is sorely lacking for you right now. You need to know what general fitting strategies work in which situations as well as what yours and your enemies ships are capable of and what they will typically fit. Then you will learn what you are likely to beat and what you should avoid (no ship in this game works against every ship it finds except perhaps a Worm vs. anything else in a Novice FW plex) Find someone to teach you that and you will become a prolific killer in this game.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

seany1212
M Y S T
#18 - 2014-08-13 12:29:10 UTC
You're a bad PVPer

Too busy caught up on how other people will view you and asking 'Am I a serviceable PVPer' rather than asking questions that people will take you seriously for such as 'how can i improve', 'what ships are good for kiting/brawling/etc.', etc.

If you take PVP just by killboard stats then it stops becoming fun and just becomes a chore when you inevitably die. As said PVP is a mentality but you need to take it away from the 'OMG MY KILLBOARD STATS' to 'Ok, i died, what did i learn...'
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-08-13 16:43:47 UTC
Dude you're bad at PVP. But you're WAY better than I am. You are bad right now, but many above have already listed why (choosing engagements, fitting choices etc) and those are all things you will learn as you go. There are some really awesome suggestions on how to improve in this thread (several of which I'll be trying out myself). What you do have is promise, if you keep it up, you will be good at PVP. Possibly very good. Likely way better than I'll even be.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#20 - 2014-08-13 18:17:12 UTC
Farsiris Arbosa wrote:
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Forget about what you think you look like or what others think you look like


I still want to know.


Your killboard won't answer the question. There are too many variables in an encounter. Most of the people with a 'good' killboard are also FOTM bunnies jumping around or just blobbers who hide in herds.

My killboard is terribad for example, but I pretty much ignore it... so meh whatever.

You will be a better PvPer when you decide to ignore the stats.

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