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[Proposal] Get rid of learning implants.
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Amarr Champine
Doomheim
#121 - 2011-12-09 01:48:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarr Champine
Of course the Goons in null and their 2 month old playerbase are going to push this. This is only a benefit to null groups who dont normally use implants due to the risk which is what I thought the game was about. Sadly enough and I hate to use the term, its null sec carebearing. They can't use implants, their low sp playerbase (which goons are known for) doesn't use them due to risk. So hey lets all push getting rid of them and up the learning speed 5x. Its bogus and a misuse of the what the CSM was created for. Especially as the CSM including null sec in general is just a joke nowadays. Tell you what CCP, make this change and advance every older player their +5x accelerated learning from the past 8 years.

Next years proposal, get rid of sp, everyone can use everything. Pfft get real.

Goons, proceed to troll/throw out cornball insults. /endrant

Oh yea, lets get rid of remaps as well.
Amarr Champine
Doomheim
#122 - 2011-12-09 01:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarr Champine
double post
Alexander Jabez
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2011-12-09 02:00:00 UTC
Are you care bears kidding me?! They don't discourage anyone from anything. You want to jump clone out to another clone somewhere else? PUT THE SAME IMPLANTS IN THAT CLONE AND YOU DON"T LOSE ANYTHING.

It makes null sec more costly? THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS GAME. The risk in this game is what makes it fun. You want to play where the big boys play? You are going to have to take bigger risks and possibly lose more isk. Deal with it. You want a game where dying doesn't have any consequences go play WoW.


3/4 out the crap in this game is indeed trivial. BUT THAT IS WHAT MAKES EVE WHAT IT IS. That is why we all love playing this game, because it isn't easy.

All this does is make the game easier for new players. Which coincidentally is generally what Goonswarm is made of. Honestly this is a blatant move for them to get ahead in this game. If CCP really goes along with this then they need to pull their balls out of their @$$ and get off Goons junk.

EvE is difficult. EvE makes you take risks and pay for your mistakes. That is why we all play it and enjoy playing it. IMO this game has never been about making life easier for the new player, but about the gratification you get when you find your feet.

This is just another step in taking that away.
Amarr Champine
Doomheim
#124 - 2011-12-09 02:04:13 UTC
Swordfingers wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Learning implants are just as bad as learning skills.


I support this proposal and will be pushing it come Wednesday in the meetings.

Better yet, I'll mention it over beer in Islenskibarrin on Tuesday before the summit. That's how much I love you.


Do that and you have my vote for the next csm.



and that is all this was about. Time to start imposing 1 term limits. Alil ridiculous when the head of one of the largest alliances can keep getting himself voted in. Especially when the majority of posters are Goons.
Alexander Jabez
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2011-12-09 02:14:47 UTC
Side note to those B@tching about jump clones. They are meant to be there as a minor convenience. Not as a form of fast travel.
Being able to jump around the galaxy at will, without haveing to take the risk of physically traveling from A to B, would severely hamper PvP.

Just because you guys don't have the gohanes to take a risk doesn't mean the game is flawed. It just means you don't know how to play that well.

Yes at times things can be inconvenient. Get over it and go do something else in game. Its not like this game is one-dimensional
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#126 - 2011-12-09 02:17:56 UTC
/facepalm

You gotta be ******* kidding me........?

So because Nullsec players are too cheap to fly with them, the people who aren't get screwed ? +5 Implant sets are expensive. So why exactly would you think that people wouldn't be pissed about losing them ? Why should we be out hundreds of millions of isk so that we can lessen the gap between new and old players ?

I had to work my ass off for enough money to get my first set of +5 implants a few years back. I fail to see why a brand new player should have the same attributes as me right out of the gate.

One of the things that attracted me to this game in the first place was the complexity of what EVE online really is. I understood that I was sorely out classed by the older players of the game and knew that I would have to work hard in this game to be able to compete. You know what, I enjoyed every minute of it. I had a sense of accomplishment in training my learning skills and buying my first set of +5 implants.

This game is starting to stray away from that. Everyone thinks they should be in the biggest ship in the least amount of time. This game should never be about people being the best they can be without any of the work. If you do that, then EVE is no longer EVE. Its just whats left over of a game that used to be great.

Also, I don't feel that you should be able to train your alts up with all the SP boosts you would get from +5 implants without having to spend the money for them.

If your lazy and don't want to spend the time making the isk for them, buy PLEX. If your worried about losing them in 0.0 then maybe 0.0 isn't the place for you. If your that worried about losing implants them your obviously not going to fly any ships that actually cost some real isk.

I have nothing against goons or Mittani personally, but this is an idea I can in no way support. I do see a mass of goons supporting this idea for whatever reason but if you guys want to be in 0.0 then you should have to take the bad with the good. Null is supposed to be a dangerous place. A lawless place. It shouldn't be a place where you no longer care about getting podded because Implants have been removed from the game. In 0.0, having implants means you have more incentive to win a fight. If you have a JC then jump to it so you won't lose them and take the hit to your SP/hour.

I would however support a timer change on Jump clones. Take the timer down from 24 hours to 12 hours. That is something I could get behind.
Goose99
#127 - 2011-12-09 03:41:16 UTC
tl;dr: I want zero loss when I get podded, but also all the benefits of +5s at no cost.Cool
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2011-12-09 03:44:58 UTC
Replace them with more combat and useful implants so that people will still get podded with 100m implant sets if they want to win at war.

Problem solved.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Goose99
#129 - 2011-12-09 03:46:15 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Replace them with more combat and useful implants so that people will still get podded with 100m implant sets if they want to win at war.

Problem solved.


Goons don't use hardwiring for their drakes.Big smile
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2011-12-09 03:48:32 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Replace them with more combat and useful implants so that people will still get podded with 100m implant sets if they want to win at war.

Problem solved.


Goons don't use hardwiring for their drakes.Big smile


I don't know if you are being clever or mentally challenged.

5/10

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Goose99
#131 - 2011-12-09 03:51:56 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Replace them with more combat and useful implants so that people will still get podded with 100m implant sets if they want to win at war.

Problem solved.


Goons don't use hardwiring for their drakes.Big smile


I don't know if you are being clever or mentally challenged.

5/10


I'm roleplaying a goon, silly. Put yourself in the shoes of a goon, what would you do?Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#132 - 2011-12-09 05:08:48 UTC
The no-name forum alts are so adorable.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#133 - 2011-12-09 05:13:58 UTC
the last batch of rageposts were awesome, keep them coming!

be sure to vomit words all over (because your spelling, grammar and style is still at the primary school level) and use plenty of ad hominems to show how bad this proposal is because Goons

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#134 - 2011-12-09 05:17:20 UTC
Amarr Champine wrote:
Of course the Goons in null and their 2 month old playerbase are going to push this. This is only a benefit to null groups who dont normally use implants due to the risk which is what I thought the game was about. Sadly enough and I hate to use the term, its null sec carebearing. They can't use implants, their low sp playerbase (which goons are known for) doesn't use them due to risk. So hey lets all push getting rid of them and up the learning speed 5x. Its bogus and a misuse of the what the CSM was created for. Especially as the CSM including null sec in general is just a joke nowadays. Tell you what CCP, make this change and advance every older player their +5x accelerated learning from the past 8 years.

Next years proposal, get rid of sp, everyone can use everything. Pfft get real.

Goons, proceed to troll/throw out cornball insults. /endrant

Oh yea, lets get rid of remaps as well.


Look how dumb you are

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#135 - 2011-12-09 05:24:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
I won't be the first to point out the irony of talking about aversion to risk while posting from an NPC corp forum alt. Roll


lmao

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alexander Jabez
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2011-12-09 05:29:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Amarr Champine wrote:
Of course the Goons in null and their 2 month old playerbase are going to push this. This is only a benefit to null groups who dont normally use implants due to the risk which is what I thought the game was about. Sadly enough and I hate to use the term, its null sec carebearing. They can't use implants, their low sp playerbase (which goons are known for) doesn't use them due to risk. So hey lets all push getting rid of them and up the learning speed 5x. Its bogus and a misuse of the what the CSM was created for. Especially as the CSM including null sec in general is just a joke nowadays. Tell you what CCP, make this change and advance every older player their +5x accelerated learning from the past 8 years.

Next years proposal, get rid of sp, everyone can use everything. Pfft get real.

Goons, proceed to troll/throw out cornball insults. /endrant

Oh yea, lets get rid of remaps as well.


Look how dumb you are




Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#137 - 2011-12-09 05:30:57 UTC
Alexander Jabez wrote:
Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.


I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#138 - 2011-12-09 05:38:27 UTC
Fal1en wrote:
I couldn't even put a number on the amount of times I have seen people say "I would come but I have 15 hrs. left on my clone :( ".

Learning implants are an unnecessary shackle.


I disagree. If you are too scared to lose them, you shouldn't buy them in the first place. Risk vs Reward. I doubt that eliminating learning implants is going to get people to go on more fleets. They will just find another lame excuse not to go. Should we also eliminate pirate faction battleships because people in 0.0 are too scared to fly them ?
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#139 - 2011-12-09 05:44:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. I got podded the day before Crucible and lost three +4s. It's entirely possible to simply choose to accept the risk of losing those implants. Also, don't shove every implant in your head that will fit. Only buy what you need.

You might as well propose removing all expensive implants as well. Faction sets cost a lot of isk and no one wants to risk those in nullsec, so let's just drop them from the game to save you from jumping clones.


Newbies don't generally have the option to only plug in two implants based on what they're training, though.

Please read the OP instead of blindly extrapolating from the first two sentences.


They do if they train cybernetics and run missions to get the isk. There is no reason you should have everything handed to you just because your a noob.
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#140 - 2011-12-09 05:52:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


cripes I don't know if you're a troll or merely an idiot

1) I don't personally care about losing implants. I can easily replace them and I routinely fly around with +4 sets (don't care to train Cybernetics V) - hell, people routinely fly around with combat implants. Aversion to loss isn't the point behind this thread. It's an issue that affects newbies with limited sources of income.
2) This isn't even about losing implants, it's about "Sorry guys I jumped back to my empire +5 clone so I can't play eve online with you" and "seriously what the hell is the point of learning implants"
3) Nullsec and wormhole residents are at a serious disadvantage over those in highsec (or even lowsec) who are virtually immune to losing pods if they are paying attention and fairly quick on the "warp out" button. You can comfortably do things in empire with your implants - nobody would say the same about nullsec.

Take your "nullbear" bullshit elsewhere, thanks.


That is part of the risk of living in an area with no law. Why exactly shouldn't there be disadvantages to living in 0.0 ? Seeming that the pros far outweigh the cons.

Not to mention that if someone JCs to highsec before an Op, they are morons. Plain and simple. If someone JCs to highsec to train in +5 implants.....well, they can do that sitting in any one of your numerous station systems.