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A Hymn to Battle

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Benedicta Secheh
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-08-11 19:01:58 UTC
I will be holding a brief Ceremony of Prayer for the 24th Imperial Crusade. I will be inviting the leadership of any Faithful and Loyal Amarr Militia corporations to offer remarks. It is my intention at that Ceremony to invoke God's blessings and protection upon those Faithful and Loyal members of the 24th Imperial Crusade that they may remain steadfast despite the myraid swings of the Pendulum War and the insidious infiltration of Sani Sabik and Blood Raider heretics. In that regard, the Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword have donated ISK from our operations and charitable benefactors to engage the Stormcrows as an interim measure until a more organized action can be taken by the members of the 24th IC to purge their ranks of the currently most notorious heretic, Nauplius. We will light a thirty-day candle in prayer and thanksgiving in our Chapel for each Pilot able to interrupt his activities via a ship kill or podding.

Date&Time: TBD. I am hoping to hold two ceremonies to accomodate patrol schedules.
Estimated Length: 15 minutes. Militia pilots are busy and patrol schedules can ill afford a lengthy diversion.
Location: Amarr Legio Basilica. Guests may be present in person, or due to Concord's security restrictions, via hologram.
Who: All faithful and loyal members of the Empire and Kingdom and treasured Allies are invited to this Ceremony.

Please message me for an invitation and/or for requests to speak. The date and time.

As before when I've ventured onto these boards, I'll not sally forth to battle the small-minded brigade of furriers that will no doubt scurry forth to post on the IGS after I post this. I have better things to with my time, like reflect, and pray.

Amarr Victor.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2014-08-11 19:11:44 UTC
Do you people really have nothing better to do than fight amongst yourselves? The sheer inefficiency of it all is enough to make me doubt my eyes all on its own, but actually spending ISK on hiring mercs to go after someone fighting your enemy? Has he fired on 24th forces? Has he performed any military action against the Empire? Does he not have enough hostiles hunting him to keep you guys from diverting valuable combat assets to fighting the enemy of your enemy?

The folks over on the other side of the fence must be laughing so hard in their pods it'll turn into a foam party when they pop.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#3 - 2014-08-11 19:20:44 UTC
Thy Sword More Holier Than Thou..

-Eran
Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2014-08-11 19:28:40 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Do you people really have nothing better to do than fight amongst yourselves? The sheer inefficiency of it all is enough to make me doubt my eyes all on its own, but actually spending ISK on hiring mercs to go after someone fighting your enemy? Has he fired on 24th forces? Has he performed any military action against the Empire? Does he not have enough hostiles hunting him to keep you guys from diverting valuable combat assets to fighting the enemy of your enemy?

The folks over on the other side of the fence must be laughing so hard in their pods it'll turn into a foam party when they pop.


Do you have anything better to do than antagonize every ******* thread?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2014-08-11 19:37:23 UTC
Any isk wasted that's not mine, is isk well wasted.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#6 - 2014-08-11 19:44:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Do you people really have nothing better to do than fight amongst yourselves? The sheer inefficiency of it all is enough to make me doubt my eyes all on its own, but actually spending ISK on hiring mercs to go after someone fighting your enemy? Has he fired on 24th forces? Has he performed any military action against the Empire? Does he not have enough hostiles hunting him to keep you guys from diverting valuable combat assets to fighting the enemy of your enemy?

The folks over on the other side of the fence must be laughing so hard in their pods it'll turn into a foam party when they pop.


Do you have anything better to do than antagonize every ******* thread?


Pot Kettle B'dazzled blue, or whatever that phrase is.

-Eran
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-08-11 19:57:27 UTC
May the God of war hear your prayers and bless your warriors with a glorious death on the altar of battle

Because Far-que... That's why.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#8 - 2014-08-11 22:05:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Do you people really have nothing better to do than fight amongst yourselves? The sheer inefficiency of it all is enough to make me doubt my eyes all on its own, but actually spending ISK on hiring mercs to go after someone fighting your enemy? Has he fired on 24th forces? Has he performed any military action against the Empire? Does he not have enough hostiles hunting him to keep you guys from diverting valuable combat assets to fighting the enemy of your enemy?

The folks over on the other side of the fence must be laughing so hard in their pods it'll turn into a foam party when they pop.


Do you have anything better to do than antagonize every ******* thread?


Nope. When I'm on the IGS, I literally have nothing better to do, or I would be off doing it.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#9 - 2014-08-11 22:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Do you people really have nothing better to do than fight amongst yourselves? The sheer inefficiency of it all is enough to make me doubt my eyes all on its own, but actually spending ISK on hiring mercs to go after someone fighting your enemy? Has he fired on 24th forces? Has he performed any military action against the Empire? Does he not have enough hostiles hunting him to keep you guys from diverting valuable combat assets to fighting the enemy of your enemy?

The folks over on the other side of the fence must be laughing so hard in their pods it'll turn into a foam party when they pop.


People should tolerate psychopaths their organizations because efficiency. - Jinari Otsito

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#10 - 2014-08-11 22:52:20 UTC
Point me to one capsuleer militia that doesn't have hundreds of them. Besides the point though, as his acts of utter lunacy rarely seem to figure very high in the complaint list lodged against him. It's always "Heretic" that's shouted the loudest and earliest from the faithful.

I suppose I'm just curious if you guys actually consider this effort and all these assets worth this? What is there to gain from blapping an egger a few times, unless you actually consider keeping it up with enough man-power to turn him broke? Again, one that spends his time killing your enemies for you.

I get a quite significant tingly feeling whenever I think of a universe without Nappy, but let's face it. Capsuleers are notoriously hard to dissuade from anything and when you add his zealotry and fanaticism to the mix I simply have to restate my curiosity about what you're actually hoping to achieve.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#11 - 2014-08-11 23:13:07 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Point me to one capsuleer militia that doesn't have hundreds of them.


Everyone does it, so you should too. - Jinari Otsito

Jinari Otsito wrote:
Besides the point though, as his acts of utter lunacy rarely seem to figure very high in the complaint list lodged against him. It's always "Heretic" that's shouted the loudest and earliest from the faithful.


I don't care about your religion and you should not care if people usurp it to carry out horrific acts in its name. - Jinari Otsito

Jinari Otsito wrote:
I suppose I'm just curious if you guys actually consider this effort and all these assets worth this? What is there to gain from blapping an egger a few times, unless you actually consider keeping it up with enough man-power to turn him broke? Again, one that spends his time killing your enemies for you.

I get a quite significant tingly feeling whenever I think of a universe without Nappy, but let's face it. Capsuleers are notoriously hard to dissuade from anything and when you add his zealotry and fanaticism to the mix I simply have to restate my curiosity about what you're actually hoping to achieve.


I don't like the guy either, but stop trying to tangibly punish him because it all seems so pointless and I don't want to do anything about him myself. - Jinari Otsito

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#12 - 2014-08-11 23:27:24 UTC
Mmmmnot quite.

The points are as follows.

He's one of many hundreds [of psychopaths, edit] in your organization. Why single him out with such fervor?
- Jinari Otsito

I didn't think he was an adherent to your religion. He's doing this in the name of his own religion, no? That's at least something most of the faithful say, yes? You're the ones making religion a big deal here, in every post about the man.
- Jinari Otsito

I have never asked you to stop anything but slavery., in the name of peace and progress. I'm asking questions on the motives, goals and thoughts on the investment vs results ratio here. Basically, what are you hoping to achieve?
- Jinari Otsito

You're right though. I have no intention of undocking with the intent of doing anything about the guy. I know I'd have exactly zero impact on his activities. I know for damn sure I can't "tangibly punish" a single capsuleer for anything unless I ruin their bank accounts. Is this the plan, maybe?

None of the questions in this thread were meant to stump anyone, so I must admit I find it surprising to see it happen. They should be very easy to answer.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#13 - 2014-08-12 00:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
They are self-answering, Jinari. You are asking foolish questions that really ought to be self-evident, but since you are playing dumb, I will oblige your requests.

Firstly, Nauplius is a heretic. A loud and grossly violent heretic. To ask why an Amarrian would want to kill a loud, violent heretic is like asking why a Caldari would want to kill a loud and violent socialist, or to ask why a Gallente would want to kill a loud and violent fascist, or to ask why a Minmatar would want to kill a loud and violent slaver. Nauplius, and others like him such as the Sani Sabik or Equilibrium of Mankind represent the very antithesis of our society; a nightmarish perversion of all that we hold dear and sacred in this world. The word 'heretic' is simply a label we Amarrians use as a term for this. Everything in our society is framed in the context of our religion, and we all know what it means to call someone a 'vile heretic'. It means something like Omir Sarikusa, Ocilan Ardishapur, Dochuta Karsoth, or Nauplius. The word seems to have no meaning to you, so you have to take the effort to figure out why we hate these people.

It does not matter that he fights for the 24th Imperial Crusade. He is a far greater threat to our civilization than he is an asset. On a moralistic level he is a mass-murderer. He is repugnant to us, and to even be associated with him through his 'service' to the Crusade is an affront that we do not wish to suffer.

As for the complications involved with fighting a capsuleer, that is not really of your concern unless you are willing to take part. However, since you are so loud in your insipid nay-saying and are probably trying to ruin the morale of those fighting this war, I will also dignify this point with a response it does not deserve.

By surrounding his ships with hostile wartagets actively hunting him, he is limited in what he can do. He will be hindered in his efforts to generate income, purchase and transport slaves, and will be largely confined to stations or areas where he has no power to harm innocents. Yes, this is extremely difficult to achieve, but even if this only delays his ability to murder slaves by jetting them into space, the effort is worth it. Just because you are likely to lose a fight does not mean you ought not fight it. Besides, even capsuleers have a limit on mental fatigue. Keeping him confined to station whenever he plugs into his capsule will likely break down his morale more than any single ship loss could.

Now please, I know you have little respect for Amarrians and our ways, but it would really help if you were hyper-critical when we are doing something wrong, not when we are trying to do our best to muzzle the angry dog in our yard.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Anslo
Scope Works
#14 - 2014-08-12 02:13:35 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
They are self-answering, Jinari. You are asking foolish questions that really ought to be self-evident, but since you are playing dumb, I will oblige your requests.

Firstly, Nauplius is a heretic. A loud and grossly violent heretic. To ask why an Amarrian would want to kill a loud, violent heretic is like asking why a Caldari would want to kill a loud and violent socialist, or to ask why a Gallente would want to kill a loud and violent fascist, or to ask why a Minmatar would want to kill a loud and violent slaver. Nauplius, and others like him such as the Sani Sabik or Equilibrium of Mankind represent the very antithesis of our society; a nightmarish perversion of all that we hold dear and sacred in this world. The word 'heretic' is simply a label we Amarrians use as a term for this. Everything in our society is framed in the context of our religion, and we all know what it means to call someone a 'vile heretic'. It means something like Omir Sarikusa, Ocilan Ardishapur, Dochuta Karsoth, or Nauplius. The word seems to have no meaning to you, so you have to take the effort to figure out why we hate these people.

It does not matter that he fights for the 24th Imperial Crusade. He is a far greater threat to our civilization than he is an asset. On a moralistic level he is a mass-murderer. He is repugnant to us, and to even be associated with him through his 'service' to the Crusade is an affront that we do not wish to suffer.

As for the complications involved with fighting a capsuleer, that is not really of your concern unless you are willing to take part. However, since you are so loud in your insipid nay-saying and are probably trying to ruin the moral of those fighting this war, I will also diginify this point with a response it does not deserve.

By surrounding his ships with hostile wartagets actively hunting him, he is limited in what he can do. He will be hindered in his efforts to generate income, purchase and transport slaves, and will be largely confined to stations or areas where he has no power to harm innocents. Yes, this is extremely difficult to achieve, but even if this only delays his ability to murder slaves by jetting them into space, the effort is worth it. Just because you are likely to lose a fight does not mean you ought not fight it. Besides, even capsuleers have a limit on mental fatigue. Keeping him confied to station whenever he plugs into his capsule will likely break down his morale more than any single ship loss could.

Now please, I know you have little respect for Amarrians and our ways, but it would really help if you were hyper-critical when we are doing something wrong, not when we are trying to do our best to muzzle the angry do in our yard.


Shutaq for Emperor of IGS.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#15 - 2014-08-12 12:44:59 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
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Ah, much better. See how easy it is to assuage the concerns of your allies? I agree, I don't really see that "vile heretic" has much weight to it as a reason for deployment of this level of assets, but that is largely because a lot of us falls under the heretic umbrella without being targeted like this. It is however quite sufficient to see that you see a significant enough reason in it. I truly can't see how this one man is any greater threat to your Empire than the people actively pursuing military efforts to dismantle it, but I guess this comes back to my own status as heretic.

I don't agree that it's in any way self-evident, as this is clearly deeply rooted in a very alien cultural issue.

You are also right in that this is none of my concern, but when it's made into such a public spectacle involving the military assets of my State's allies, it's worth musing on. I still don't see that this has any real chance of succeeding, given his fanaticism and zealotry. If history has shown us anything it is that this kind of person takes this level of opposition as confirmation of his righteousness and will merely spur him to greater efforts. I do wish you luck in your chosen endeavors, but if he is even semi-competent as a capsuleer he's unlikely to be deterred.

You're right. I don't have much respect for the Empire. Individual Amarrians, like yourself, I have quite the utmost respect for as our brief interaction should have demonstrated. This is the very reason I raise concerns I have about your endeavors, because they ultimately impact the welfare of my State. It is in my own best interest to put the activities of my allies under scrutiny.

If it holds up to such scrutiny, nothing can be better.

I still have my doubts whether or not this focus on Nappy has any merit at all, but you've answered most questions I had on the subject and for that I am grateful. Thank you, Shutaq, and good luck. I truly hope you succeed and quickly, so your military assets can go somewhere useful instead.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2014-08-12 14:50:01 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
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Ah, much better. See how easy it is to assuage the concerns of your allies? I agree, I don't really see that "vile heretic" has much weight to it as a reason for deployment of this level of assets, but that is largely because a lot of us falls under the heretic umbrella without being targeted like this. It is however quite sufficient to see that you see a significant enough reason in it. I truly can't see how this one man is any greater threat to your Empire than the people actively pursuing military efforts to dismantle it, but I guess this comes back to my own status as heretic.


Unless you interpret the Caldari idea of 'The Maker' in a very specific way, we're heathens and not heretics, Jinny. It took me awhile to get my head around why someone who doesn't believe in your religion at all is less of a threat than someone who shares many of your core beliefs, but not others, but I think I've finally got it.

Heathens, like us, have our own religion. They don't agree with it and, in time, their beliefs call on them to stamp it out and replace it with their own - but essentially our faith only really affects OUR faith. Our beliefs don't touch theirs.

Heretics, like Nappy, however share their religion to a certain extent. His non-orthodox beliefs are a DIRECT attack on their orthodox beliefs. He recruits HIS believers from the pool of THEIR believers. In short, it's like the difference between non-competing companies and companies in the same market sector.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-08-12 14:52:33 UTC
Not to mention being seen as a personal insult rather than ignorance.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#18 - 2014-08-12 15:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Ah, much better. See how easy it is to assuage the concerns of your allies? I agree, I don't really see that "vile heretic" has much weight to it as a reason for deployment of this level of assets, but that is largely because a lot of us falls under the heretic umbrella without being targeted like this.


Actually, relatively few fall under the heretic umbrella. It is a term reserved for those who claim to follow an unorthodox and criminal interpretation of the faith. As one of the faithless there are several different words that could be used for you, but heretic isn't one of them.

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I truly can't see how this one man is any greater threat to your Empire than the people actively pursuing military efforts to dismantle it, but I guess this comes back to my own status as heretic.

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I truly hope you succeed and quickly, so your military assets can go somewhere useful instead.


What you "truly can't see" is a realistic assessment of military deployment.

1) No one has said that he is a greater threat to the Empire than the Republic. This does not mean that he is not a threat. Do you have such a one-track mind that you cannot understand that attention can be placed on more than one thing at a time? Has the State stopped hunting Guristas because it is busy with the war against the Federation and Republic? Is sparing patrols or hiring independent capsuleers to hunt the Guristas 'not doing anything useful'?

2) Military assets can be used for multiple different things at once. The slave butcher is called a "target of opportunity". When his vessel is sighted on a patrol, it is set upon and destroyed. When it is not, those same assets continue their patrol, engaging and destroying enemy vessels as surely as his. The only assets that are solely focused on him are the Stormcrows, who are mercenaries.


If there is anything in this war that is not useful, it is the senseless restrictions of the CEWPA that prevent mobilization of the full naval forces. Not a couple capsuleers engaging criminals and pirates alongside their other war targets.


All that being said, I do not understand how public this whole ordeal is. There is no need for it to be a spectacle. He is a criminal who should be destroyed when and where he is encountered, as surely and simply as any other enemy target and without need for public adulation. Duty is its own reward.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-08-12 15:14:28 UTC
I prefer the term 'Soldier of Fortune' personally, but I don't speak for everyone in Stormcrows, of course.

Sorry, carry on.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-08-15 07:27:47 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
They are self-answering, Jinari. You are asking foolish questions that really ought to be self-evident, but since you are playing dumb, I will oblige your requests.


She is not playing, unfortunately.
I am afraid rational talk with her is doomed to stay fruitless.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.