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[Hyperion] Nestor Tweaks

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#21 - 2014-08-11 17:13:57 UTC
Reasoning for the 5000 m3 bay? Well, the art does have a shuttle bay on it Smile

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2014-08-11 17:17:48 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Reasoning for the 5000 m3 bay? Well, the art does have a shuttle bay on it Smile

Yes, so do we get a bonus SoE shuttle now as well? :D

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Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-08-11 17:19:08 UTC
That's nice but what in the world can I do with a 5k SMA ? Put a shuttle in it? What else? Lol

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#24 - 2014-08-11 17:20:11 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
That's nice but what in the world can I do with a 5k SMA ? Put a shuttle in it? What else? Lol

Leopard for the win!

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AtomYcX
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-08-11 17:31:38 UTC
Is Ship Maintenance Bay a typo for Fleet Hangar? A 5000m3 SMB makes no sense as you can't fit any ships in it (well, a single shuttle).
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#26 - 2014-08-11 17:33:35 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
interesting adding some genuine uniqueness .. what it also tells us is that Rise is far too conservative with changes .. since every change he does needs further changes later on down the line ... please give him a kick up the arse for us please


As opposed to adding something completely imbalanced and then having to wait an entire release cycle to fix it?

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Theory Bore
Ozkavosh
Olde Guarde Historical Preservation Society
#27 - 2014-08-11 17:34:51 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
interesting adding some genuine uniqueness .. what it also tells us is that Rise is far too conservative with changes .. since every change he does needs further changes later on down the line ... please give him a kick up the arse for us please


As opposed to adding something completely imbalanced and then having to wait an entire release cycle to fix it?


*cough* senty drones and ishtar/dominix *cough*

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2014-08-11 17:36:31 UTC
Would a fleet hangar be better than an SMA since the SMA is too small for most things? Pushes it even closer to the support role.
Conjaq
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-08-11 17:37:35 UTC
I _really_ want to be able, to use the Nestor but even with these changes i'm not sure for what it excels at.

The refitting in space would be awesome if we didn't have a mobile depot. - (U)nfortunaly we do, so this does not warrant the price tag, nor det limited use.

Other than that, it does not excel in anything in particular. It's to expensive for pvp, and there are other alternatives for doing pve.

(Dominix, Rattlesnake just to name a few.. all way cheaper)


The only thing that could make this ship usefull, is its RR platform. However it's still way cheaper just to use a logistic.

Giving it a covert cloak would definitely be to overpowered, though extremely cool(and might give it some use for exploration)
If it had jump capabilities, it would instantly become very usefull and actually worth the price tag(It gives it relativel safety)



+ for giving it a jump capability.

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#30 - 2014-08-11 17:38:38 UTC
Well, it's a small step towards giving it the role of a exploration support ship.

The full step would be a 16.5k m³ SMA, around 1k fleet hangar and, to make it (somewhat) covert like the other ships in the line, a role bonus reducing the scan resolution penalty of cloaking devices, preferably by 100%.
Jayne Fillon
#31 - 2014-08-11 17:38:39 UTC
I have serious concerns about the retting capability when used in high sec wars.

You've just made station camping, and undock tomfoolery even less risky for griefers than it already was.

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Freya Shimane
Malevelon Roe Industries
#32 - 2014-08-11 17:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Freya Shimane
Rowells wrote:
Would a fleet hangar be better than an SMA since the SMA is too small for most things? Pushes it even closer to the support role.


You can't refit ships from a fleet hangar. The purpose for the SMA is for refits, not ship transportation.
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-08-11 17:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Bullet Therapist
I'm glad that you're aware that the Nestor isn't particularly useful. Probably not enough as far as changes go to make it viable, but at least it might have a niche use or two other than station games.

Any plan to address the battleship class as a whole? How about CBCs? What was the verdict on the Tempest?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#34 - 2014-08-11 17:49:04 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
You've just made station camping, and undock tomfoolery even less risky for griefers than it already was.

This is really a separate issue entirely, is it not?

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DaJokr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-08-11 17:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DaJokr
Enjoy the change, will make them slightly more useful and less vulnerable to dread blaps.

Mass on them is fine for WHs

Would be really nice:

Hacking role bonus -> something useful (Cap reduction on energy or armor transfers perhaps?)
Base sensor strength 24 -> 28-30
+1 low slot or if the slot layout is too good then, -1 mid, +1 low.

Then I will fly it forever.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-08-11 17:54:38 UTC
Conjaq wrote:

Giving it a covert cloak would definitely be to overpowered


How definitive we talking? I don't see the thing being so incredibly good at combat that a cloak would make it OP.
Aquamo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-08-11 17:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquamo
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.


5,000 m3 ? is this a typo or did you mean a fleet hangar?

I can see a 50,000m3 SMA or maybe a 5,000 m3 fleet hangar but a 5,000 m3 SMA seems unique :-)

edit: or is the only way to make a ship have a "fitting service" is to provide at least a trivially small SMA ?


Aquamo
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#38 - 2014-08-11 17:58:35 UTC
Are there any plans of creating a battleship with similar nestor bonuses for shields?

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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#39 - 2014-08-11 17:59:01 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Underwhelming.

So its still a crappy hacker/scanner

And a crappy repper

And a crappy shooter

And a crappy j-space explorer

And a crappy droner

And now its a crappy refitter

Everything it does is still done much better by other ships. Ships of smaller classes or larger classes.


Maybe its strength is just that... its a swiss army knife that can work in a pinch to fill many different roles when you're not in a larger fleet or in a position to reship easily. But obviously has being able to do all those things has to have the trade-off of not being able to do everything as well as or better than a specialized ship.

My only real fault with the Nestor but its too expensive to fly regularly and get blown up. I'd rather welp a carrier for that ISK as it can do all of the things a Nestor can but better (except scanning/hacking with exception to some WH guys). I think increasing the drop rate of its Nexus chips to increase supply and drop prices will be a good thing. +1 Fozzie

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#40 - 2014-08-11 18:01:32 UTC
yay! the SMA makes me happy...

any chance we can get a deployable that acts as a mobile jump unit? one time deployable that only battleships can activate and can only be used in a constilation

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