Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a lie. Bots warp as soon as someone enters local. Bots don't need to be stabbed, they warp out before you warp in. If the script is letting you land on grid before warping and you can't catch that, it is you who are doing it wrong.

I am sorry you feel like you should be able to dictate where others choose to play, and in what manner. You have the tools to force an engagement. If you are worried about bots all you need do is show up and they are gone.

It's only risk free because the aggressors refuse to adapt for fear of a real fight. It is not your right or responsibility to decree what another may or may not do, nor where and in what manner. You are only responsible for you....they aren't doing anything to you, yet you are still free to try and do what you want to them.

CCP is fully aware of the stabbed ships in Plexes, and apparently find it funny, judging from the Photoshop one of them posted of a ship with stabs in every slot including the rig slots. Welcome to emergent gameplay that does not hand easy kills to the Hunter on a silver platter. So sorry you are so scared to adapt to the menace of unfit ships that you can't catch them just by showing up.

Bots can evolve too, you know.

Who said this? Bots behave like they were programmed. If they programmed to stay aligned until something will show in overview - they will.

It's not his right, but CCP's. Thats why we are here, raising issue and attracting attention. Making statements and reasoning them. I saw a bunch of good reasons proving that current state of FW plexes is unbalanced and don't serve its real purpose so well (which, I repeat, CCP restated by removing cloacking tactics from them) - it allows for risk-averse tactics creating a great influx of goods from LP shops to the market and devaluing LP points for others, more involved players; it doesn't comply with "greater risk - greater profit" paradigm; it requires no actual effort from those rabbit-plexers while allowing them to influence battlefield on strategic level greatly.

What was heard from other party is just endless whines about how they are forced with someones other gameplay and their "style" of play is endangered. Which hardly constitute as arguments as you are forced with tons of rules in Eve every second, and just comply to them, silently. Just recently one new was added to FW - no cloacking in plexes, for example. It's a normal thing that some "tactics" being removed when it was proved that they bring more harm than content. This one addition proposed is not different from others, and it has its purpose.

But I don't think stabs should be removed from FW, just penalized mb (someone offered to slow down timer proportionally to number of stabs fitted)
The bubble in plexes and proposed timer resets/additional intel feeds is better approaches to the problem.

No, you have the hunters whining that stabs make it hard to catch otherwise unfit frigates, and could CCP please make it easier, yet again, for them to catch them.

The other side is pretty much saying to fit their ships appropriate to catch evasive ships.

To which the Hunter whines that someone might shoot back if they did that, and they would lose the fight because they compromised third combat fit to catch helpless plexer runners.

And the plexers say /shrug.

It doesn't, because main purpose of FW is advertisment of PvP - fun, full of meaningfull content PvP. So "hunter's" problem to create meanigfull, combat-ready and versatile fit is much more important that needs of somebody who wants to create fit the sole purpose of which is to evade PvP.

These two suggestions caters to a specific style of play which frankly would serious damage FW if encouraged more. That is the Blingy, Kity fit by someone not interested in running plexes. ie Your Worm and Garmur 'leet' solo player, who just wants to roam around picking off noobs in Rifters and never having to deal with the consequences - ie Of having to stay in the plex just to run back the timer.

So these people can sit in their station without any risk, spinning their faction fit 500M Isk Garmur until 'bing' the plex alarm goes off. Check the number of pilots in system and their ages and only if suitable undock, quick D Scan to the plex for final confirmation of absolutely no risk. Get in the plex, nice noob kill, gtfo, back home to safety for tea and crumpets and let the auto timer run itself back down.

Timer rollback cuts both way and I've said repeatedly in the past, it would create awful problems for a small fleet (Team A) split between multiple plexes. If a similar sized gang (Team B) came into system, instead of taking the fight, Team B could just keep bouncing from one plex to another, never having to worry about the plex timers. Never having to stay and actually fight for a plex. Just keep pushing out or ganking down the individuals in each plex and then baling when Team A came together to fight them. Meanwhile all the cumulated plex times Team A had gained would just bleed away.

There are too many instances of spiteful play in Eve already, where the gud fight is passed up in preference to just making it unproductive for the other guy to play.

And no stabs while an irritation is not nearly as prevalent as the OP suggests. As someone said, all you would get is no target instead of a possible target, which in turn gets you out of the station and into a plex where you become someone else's target.

All is true, aside from the fact those ships specialize on activities which add no meaningfull content (and this will be PvP content, the pew-pew type, as FW was designed for this and undergoes tweaks to be more like this atm), but breaks in many ways the actual and meaningfull gameplay this system attempt to bring (it's not a "Rabit Hunting" and it's not a "Happy Farmer", it's Factional Warfare). Thats why we asking CCP to change this, to stay in line with other changes already made.

No, it's other approach widely used in Eve - make those "playstyles" infeasible/much less profitable, and reward more involving playstyle, like actually shoting things.

It's still a small step ahead, and others - hopefully - will ensue. Even that little step will add much more problems to farmers, slow down LP inflatation, drive out less persistent ones from FW.

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