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In Recognition of Kohiko Sun and Jude Kopenhagen
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Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-08-11 13:25:12 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

We haven’t discussed this questions. I personally favour a cadaver trial, where his corpse will be clothed and seated on a chair before a posthumous execution. Anyway, blooders are not invited.



If you are planning on placing this innocent corpse on trial, then I will speak for the defence! I say this corpse is innocent! It could not possibly have committed heresy, because it is Dead! Are you saying that Death is Heresy, Duchess d'Hanguest?

I further charge that this is a case of mistaken identity. Naupilius may or may not have committed heresy, but that is irrelevant, as this is not naupilius - it is his corpse! That which was naupilius has long since fled this body, and as such this body cannot be held accountable for that which happened while it was unjustly and illegally possessed by a rogue soul.

This is now a WIDOT thread!
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-08-11 13:29:45 UTC
Aracturus wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

We haven’t discussed this questions. I personally favour a cadaver trial, where his corpse will be clothed and seated on a chair before a posthumous execution. Anyway, blooders are not invited.



If you are planning on placing this innocent corpse on trial, then I will speak for the defence! I say this corpse is innocent! It could not possibly have committed heresy, because it is Dead! Are you saying that Death is Heresy, Duchess d'Hanguest?

I further charge that this is a case of mistaken identity. Naupilius may or may not have committed heresy, but that is irrelevant, as this is not naupilius - it is his corpse! That which was naupilius has long since fled this body, and as such this body cannot be held accountable for that which happened while it was unjustly and illegally possessed by a rogue soul.



Sir, you made me spit my tea over my desk.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

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Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-08-11 13:31:21 UTC
Furthermore, what you are REALLY doing is charging the entity known as Naupilius - who no longer inhibits this poor body - with heresy in absentia - meaning this corpse's only relationship to the crime was the misfortune to have been used to create Naupilius' clone. Therefore, this corpse ought to be aquitted!

This is like blaming dirt for a weed springing out of it! I move that the corpse be released from trial and the charges be instead be brought against Naupilius as an Entity - not as a corpse - in absentia.

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Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-08-11 13:33:48 UTC
I further posit, that should the charges against my defendant be dropped, that they be reduced to conspiracy to commit heresy, with a maximum sentence of lifetime (or deathtime) imprisonment, in exchange for their cooperation in bringing Naupilius to justice.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-08-11 13:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Somehow, I doubt that the defendant will be raising any objections on their own behalf.

Should they do so, I'm sure that the court will, in its wisdom, treat those objections with all due seriousness.

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#26 - 2014-08-11 13:56:56 UTC
I'm tellin' ya. Animatronics.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#27 - 2014-08-11 14:07:38 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Hey, if the lady wants to play puppet show trial with recently vacated biomass, then that's her (slightly morbid and creepy) business.


Well, it is somewhat important and relevant to myself, because the Duchess is under the laughable delusion that myself and my associates are heretics, the truth of course, is that she is the heretic, but that is not important right now, what is important to my interests, is the prospect that any corpses of myself or my associates, would be subjected to similar legal machinations by the Duchess, so it would be useful to myself, to establish what the procedures are, in order that appropriate legal representation could be procured.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-08-11 14:16:10 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Hey, if the lady wants to play puppet show trial with recently vacated biomass, then that's her (slightly morbid and creepy) business.


Well, it is somewhat important and relevant to myself, because the Duchess is under the laughable delusion that myself and my associates are heretics, the truth of course, is that she is the heretic, but that is not important right now, what is important to my interests, is the prospect that any corpses of myself or my associates, would be subjected to similar legal machinations by the Duchess, so it would be useful to myself, to establish what the procedures are, in order that appropriate legal representation could be procured.


I'm reasonably sure you have the right to remain silent, as a corpse.

I'm also pretty sure anything you do say can and will be used against you.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-08-11 14:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Da Dom
I would suggest not using the corpse for vodoo rituals or symbolic trials unless you know what your doing. You should treat it with the care and respect that an honoured enemy deserves and not stoop down to Nauplius's level by humiliating something that can no longer defend itself.

Because Far-que... That's why.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#30 - 2014-08-11 14:51:26 UTC
Marcus Gord wrote:
I'm reasonably sure you have the right to remain silent, as a corpse.

The ducal articles of jurisprudence give every individual the the right to refuse to answer questions, but such refusal may be construed as a sign of guilt.

I find Mr Aracturus’ interjections most intriguing. While posthumous trials are a valued tradition and proper legal method in the Duchy of Palas, never has it occurred that a capsuleer was objected to this procedure. The ducal articles of jurisprudence do not differentiate between human and trans-human. While I reject Mr Aracturus’ proposal to defend the heretic in absentia, because no defendant is needed at the trial, I encourage everyone to rebut his theses and to prove that this cadaver can be held accountable. The corpse is not a mere vessel for the soul, for it cannot act without it in this world. Nauplius’ body acted, neurologically transferring to the capsule and ship the commands that resulted in the death of more than 100.000 slaves.
Aracturus
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-08-11 14:53:43 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Marcus Gord wrote:
I'm reasonably sure you have the right to remain silent, as a corpse.

The ducal articles of jurisprudence give every individual the the right to refuse to answer questions, but such refusal may be construed as a sign of guilt.

I find Mr Aracturus’ interjections most intriguing. While posthumous trials are a valued tradition and proper legal method in the Duchy of Palas, never has it occurred that a capsuleer was objected to this procedure. The ducal articles of jurisprudence do not differentiate between human and trans-human. While I reject Mr Aracturus’ proposal to defend the heretic in absentia, because no defendant is needed at the trial, I encourage everyone to rebut his theses and to prove that this cadaver can be held accountable. The corpse is not a mere vessel for the soul, for it cannot act without it in this world. Nauplius’ body acted, neurologically transferring to the capsule and ship the commands that resulted in the death of more than 100.000 slaves.


Since when are you the judge, madam duchess? I call for an impartial arbitrator!

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#32 - 2014-08-11 15:00:38 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
I would suggest not using the corpse for vodoo rituals or symbolic trials unless you know what your doing. You should treat it with the care and respect that an honoured enemy deserves and not stoop down to Silas Vitalia's level by humiliating something that can no longer defend itself.
FTFY.

At least I was not aware that Nauplius did this, but I may have missed something.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#33 - 2014-08-11 15:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Marcus Gord wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
As much as I dislike saying it, the butcher has actually done rather well for himself. Some of the people who engaged him should feel ashamed of themselves for losing despite having extreme ship advantages.

Stormcrows at least are doing well, thanks to that pod.


I hope you're not referring to my loss of a Comet in that statement, Ms Kernher?

It's not as clear cut as it looks, there. Backup got waylaid en-route.

I also made some very stupid mistakes, I'm willing to admit that. I'm out of practice. I treated Nauplius like any other militia member who usually rabbit at the first whiff of trouble.

Lessons learned.


I was not referring to yours, Mr. Gord.

Da Dom wrote:
You should treat it with the care and respect that an honoured enemy deserves...


The slave butcher is not an honored enemy.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-08-11 15:12:38 UTC
Thank you, Ms Kernher.

I felt it best to clarify.

In a few moments you will have an experience that will seem completely real. It will be the result of your subconscious fears transformed to your conscious awareness.

http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-11 15:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Da Dom
Samira Kernher wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
You should treat it with the care and respect that an honoured enemy deserves...


The slave butcher is not an honored enemy.


And dragging his corpse through the coals only proves we're just as dishonorable.

Because Far-que... That's why.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#36 - 2014-08-11 15:33:39 UTC
Aracturus wrote:
Since when are you the judge, madam duchess? I call for an impartial arbitrator!

Mr Aracturus, this isn’t a Gallente law series like “Luminaire Legal,” of course I am the judge. I also start to doubt your seriousness in this matter. If it is a show trial you are after, you are free to make up one yourself, but not in the Duchy of Palas.

Samira Kernher wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
You should treat it with the care and respect that an honoured enemy deserves...

The slave butcher is not an honored enemy.

Thank you.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2014-08-11 15:42:34 UTC
Can we take a moment to commend the Duchess for actually coming through on her word, as promised, with an absolute minimum of fuss and delay?

It's nice to see a threat made in here actually carried through and I applaud her in her selection of 'executors' in this case.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#38 - 2014-08-11 16:00:56 UTC
Show trials aside, I congratulate Pilots Sun and Kopenhagen on their combat prowess.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2014-08-11 17:03:52 UTC
Please, air this trial via the IGS.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#40 - 2014-08-11 17:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Can we take a moment to commend the Duchess for actually coming through on her word, as promised, with an absolute minimum of fuss and delay?

It's nice to see a threat made in here actually carried through and I applaud her in her selection of 'executors' in this case.

To avoid confusion let me say that the Stormcrows did not receive any payment from me—except for the reward that I promised to everyone who brings me the corpse of Nauplius and proof of combat first—, nor did I ask specifically them to hunt down the heretic.
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