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Mass of Stargates...?
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Jonas Xiamon
#21 - 2011-12-02 06:46:39 UTC
I'm just going to support this as opposed to try and come up with a bullshit reason why it shouldn't be fixed.

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.
Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-02 07:06:10 UTC
And how do you think you "split space apart" or acquire enough energy to quantum entangle anything on the macroscopic scale (which iirc isn't possible)?

Yes Black freakin' holes. It's heavy because it's full of black holes and we lost the technology after the gates were built. or something.

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#23 - 2011-12-02 07:17:23 UTC
The Stargates have been constructed out of Dark Matter, hence in this Dimension we percieve them to have such huge mass. In reality, because of the Dark Matter which actually extends into an infinite space-time continuum, they weigh far less. It's just that our Eve-Physics are unable to adequately define such trans-dimensional intersections of matter, so we see the stargates as being excessively heavy.

Following from this one can deduce that in some dimension somewhere, there are other intelligent spacefaring lifeforms which look at their stargates and wonder how they can be so very light.

o/

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Tear Miner
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-12-02 07:26:46 UTC
If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them?
ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-12-02 07:30:30 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
The Stargates have been constructed out of Dark Matter, hence in this Dimension we percieve them to have such huge mass. In reality, because of the Dark Matter which actually extends into an infinite space-time continuum, they weigh far less. It's just that our Eve-Physics are unable to adequately define such trans-dimensional intersections of matter, so we see the stargates as being excessively heavy.

Following from this one can deduce that in some dimension somewhere, there are other intelligent spacefaring lifeforms which look at their stargates and wonder how they can be so very light.

o/

Either that, or it's full of pony-juice...

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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#26 - 2011-12-02 07:34:06 UTC
Wasn't it the Jovians that gave us the star gates? If so, I'm sure there is some tech they have that none of the 4 races will get.

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First Lieutenant Dan
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-12-02 07:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: First Lieutenant Dan
We can only blame the black obelisk... That thing is full of damn stars...

I like the dark matter attempt at bringing realism into this pixel creator the best so far...
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-02 08:19:20 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them?

Because of Jovians.
And nanites.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#29 - 2011-12-02 08:56:05 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...


Light is not massless. Light is an expression of energy.

E=MC^2 says that the mas of light = [(√E)/C].
Deanna Magus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-02 10:47:00 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...


Light is not massless. Light is an expression of energy.

E=MC^2 says that the mas of light = [(√E)/C].


You are misinterpreting the equation. Light does not have mass, it has relativistic mass. That is, the equation states an equivalence between energy and mass, and that the two are interchangeable. This does not mean however that there is an equivalence between mass and light.

The important aspect is that from QED the photons which make up light, have no rest mass, and they experience no gravitational field, or induce one on any other object.

Light is however indirectly affected by gravity due to space time being curved by gravity.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-12-02 10:53:39 UTC

It's because of magnets.

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Sakkar Arenith
Kenmei Corporation
#32 - 2011-12-02 11:17:51 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
Julius Rigel wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...

Not in eve they're not.

Sure they are. Otherwise the Amarr would get Kinetic damage tacked on to their lasers. And no one wants that.

Except the Amarr.

Edit: And Lex has it covered.


light actually does have kinetic properties, just very small ones.

Also, even our curent pulse lasers have an explosive effect, so gief exp damage on scourch, NAO! Twisted


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Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-12-02 13:55:51 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?

inB4 no one cares about object info.

Actually, I'm pretty sure they've been calculated to have a density about 100times that of a Black Hole. Seems like CCP has no sense of scale...
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#34 - 2011-12-02 16:09:55 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
If the stargates have the largest mass and thereby the largest gravity in the systems, why do the celestial bodies not orbit them?


I said a wizard did it! X *lol*

Seriously, though, the stargates must deal with some pretty funky physics to be able to throw a ship haflway across the galaxy in no more than a few seconds. Maybe their mass is only 'halfway' into our universe. If that makes sense....

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#35 - 2011-12-02 16:36:23 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.


Well you see... the stargates have to be that massive in order to fling your ship, almost instantaneously, hundreds of light years away, and then catch them on the other end. If they weren't that massive, they surely would bounce out of alignment with the equal and opposite reactions to all that kinetic energy being imparted.

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Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?


Name one thing already realistic about stargates...

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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#36 - 2011-12-08 23:46:14 UTC
War Kitten wrote:

Name one thing already realistic about stargates...


They're....really big?

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Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#37 - 2011-12-09 02:10:27 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


Name one thing already realistic about stargates...


Here's the way I see it: stargates disassemble your ship into energy and information, and the stargate that it is linked to via quantum entanglement reconstructs your ship on the other side. The ship isn't physically thrown, the information regarding the ship is communicated.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#38 - 2011-12-09 02:39:21 UTC
It's the same silliness found elsewhere in this game. You can fly right next to the sun in a system (which is actually smaller than a planet) and not get sucked in. Don't know how that's possible... or even why it's possible.

Stargates at that mass would pull the ship into itself and crush it.

At that mass, the gate couldn't possibly launch a ship because the energy it just shot out to the other gate would be sucked back inside. Although assuming that they are indeed that massive and they indeed do work somehow like that, there would still be the huge gravity well that would prevent you from escaping the destination gate :)

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#39 - 2011-12-09 02:41:55 UTC
Too bad the tech article behind the gates is a bit... cryptic unlike our FTL comms which makes way to much sense.

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