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Decarthado Aurgnet
Imperial Combat Engineers
#1 - 2014-08-09 08:41:21 UTC
Somebody please point me in the right direction if this is already being discussed, but I've been playing with access permissions and what works in which ways when installing jobs in a corp office.

The problem I'm running into is when I try to install a manufacturing job with an alt which does not have director but which does have full access to two separate corp hangars, the job won't read minerals as being present unless the print and the minerals are in the same hangar division. Putting the minerals in one division and the print in another isn't a problem if i change nothing else about the situation except to grant director status to that alt, then the job installs normally. As expected, the problem persists when director status is revoked and read-only access is granted to the hangar division in which the print is located.

Am I missing some dumb little detail here or is this actually a glitch in the matrix?

Remove T2 BPO's or make them inventable at extreme cost.
KATASKOPOS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-08-09 20:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: KATASKOPOS
You said it yourself. "Read-only" is the key word.
Decarthado Aurgnet
Imperial Combat Engineers
#3 - 2014-08-10 05:01:32 UTC
Okay, here it is in a different form so you can understand what I said.

Non-director, has full access to two corp hangars, bpo in one corp hangar and materials in another

  • Does not work.


Non-director, has full access to two corp hangars, bpo and materials in same corp hangar.

  • Does work.


Same as above two except has Director status

  • Works in both cases


What am I missing?

Remove T2 BPO's or make them inventable at extreme cost.
KATASKOPOS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-08-10 06:13:19 UTC
There are three different group types under the roles on the corporation management window. Compare on both director and non-director characters, the roles and grantable roles for the bellow conditions.


1) Hangar access Headquarters

2) Hangar access Based at

3) Hangar access Other


There you will find the differences yourself.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#5 - 2014-08-10 23:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Amely Miles
i understand your issue and with 893 bpo's and being ceo of a corp i had to solve the same thing some time ago ...

never give out roles always do titles

for me i had to do the following because of shelf space being a limit of 1000

i created a title called "Citizen" i created 2 hangers called BPO 1 and BPO 2 there is cans i put in each bpo hanger that have category names of bpo's but no actual bpo's in the cans there just there to help citizens find what they need fast

for the Citizens to have manufacturing and research abilitys i gave them a wallet called public wallet and Public Hanger as well...the issue with this is someone can if they wanted deliver someone elses goods and steal em that way or just cancel the jobs wasting minerals/isk/resources of the corpies, it is something that you will have to deal with if you want your corpies to have access to bpo's edit: i have never had this issue yet

create a title called Director give it Query but no take access this way your directors never have the ability to steal your bpo's (if your like me you might want to seperate every hanger and wallet in to director of divisions so that directors can't bankrupt your corp except if working together)

if you need any help with this let me know i will do my best to help but i will be on vacation in the morning and will return on the 20th

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Decarthado Aurgnet
Imperial Combat Engineers
#6 - 2014-08-11 08:24:48 UTC
I understand the difference between HQ, Based At, and Other locations, so that's not the problem. I'd love it if there were more granularity in this regard, but we work with what we have. I've already arranged for a title system which works and keeps the corp print library safe from theft, so that's also not the problem.

What I'm trying to do is let people use BPO's in the read-only hangar directly for manufacturing in the NPC station if they want to do that. My current setup is to assign certain players exclusive full access to one of the corp hangars at the univerally-assigned Based At station so they can safely deliver jobs when they plan on doing fairly expensive things from time to time. Everyone else has to either make BPC's and use them from their personal hangars or use the BPO's and output to a commonly accessible corp hangar.

After some more tinkering with granting various combinations of roles to my alt and moving a test print around, I've found that no amount of granting any and all roles except the Director role will permit her to install a manufacturing job from a corp hangar. The error is basic refusal to recognize that materials are present in the selected material input hangar ... unless she has Director status. Installing a Copy job or an ME/TE job works great with the normal title I've created. The title system is correctly set up - Factory Manager, Rent Factory Facility, and Rent Research Facility are marked for the applicable title but this problem refuses to go away and I'd be a fool to grant Director to everyone just to clear this up when it shouldn't be a problem in the first place.

So ... any idea what else could be going on here? I'm stumped and a number of my corpies have also reported being unable to install jobs with the BPO's in the corp library.

Remove T2 BPO's or make them inventable at extreme cost.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#7 - 2014-08-11 11:26:45 UTC
Decarthado Aurgnet wrote:

What I'm trying to do is let people use BPO's in the read-only hangar directly for manufacturing in the NPC station if they want to do that.

to install a manufacturing job from a corp hangar.


Doing it my way will fix that issue and allow you to do exactly what you want i know this because my Corpies manufacture/copy ME/PE from corp hangers "bpo 1" and "bpo 2" and output to a public hanger or "Output hanger" a "public wallet" will also be required...i'll explain step by step and take photos for you on the 20th when i return from Portugal Big smile see you then

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I took my finger back out and within seconds she was going down on me.

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Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
#8 - 2014-08-11 21:57:20 UTC
Decarthado Aurgnet wrote:
Non-director, has full access to two corp hangars, bpo in one corp hangar and materials in another

  • Does not work.


Non-director, has full access to two corp hangars, bpo and materials in same corp hangar.

  • Does work.


Same as above two except has Director status

  • Works in both cases


Our impression is that this is a display bug. Non-directors are told there are no raw materials but if they press START the job runs normally - assuming the stuff is actually there of course.

Rarely the job refuses to run even with enough raw materals, in which case clicking on another blueprint then coming back seems to do the trick for us.
Decarthado Aurgnet
Imperial Combat Engineers
#9 - 2014-08-11 22:47:49 UTC
Oriella Trikassi wrote:
Our impression is that this is a display bug.


Oh ffs ... really? I'm going to take this moment to rage at CCP and be generally unkind in a number of ways. The job does, in fact, install normally with the usual title system in place despite not visually showing the materials as being available. Might be related to the bug where the install button shows as not usable when paying from the corp wallet.

Remove T2 BPO's or make them inventable at extreme cost.
Novacrow
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-08-12 20:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Novacrow
I think I played around with this like years ago when I was a indy carebear. I did the following situation:

1 Hangar with my bpos (Hangar A)
I gave people query access, but never the ability to remove items

1 Hanger that was pubicly open (Hangar B)
I gave people both query and take access

People who go browse through my bpos. Right click one they want to produce from. On the window that pops up there are two options, one for an input, and another for output. Set both hangars to Hangar B. After the job was completed and delivered. The produced items went to Hangar B, and the bpo went back to Hangar A.

Edit: Nevermind several people already stated this and I didn't read all the replies. Ignore this post.