Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pretty sure what I said was

So this thread started with an idea of a cloaky POS that cannot be seen or d-scaned, this was a ridiculously over-powered idea that would be useful to people for increasing the safety of their manufacturing and such with the counter argument that it would have to de-cloak to be interacted with and uses fuel to remain cloaked.

Added gameplay aspects:

POS Owner- Increased safety, also to further increase safety would require the owner to wait for an empty local before using their POS which is a boring gameplay aspect with little use.

People targeting POS: Just to find the POS would need to anchor/unanchor a POS on every moon to find cloaked ones which is boring, pointless and a bad gameplay aspect.

Now after several people pointed out how overpowered and supremely safe this would be he decided to move the idea to something that is visible on overview, invisible on d-scan, can't make isk passively, and can only be used to store ships/items or refit.

This takes away all the benefits of having a covert POS as it's basically a mobile depot that must be anchored at a moon and can't be scanned on d-scan. It's become a pointless addition to the game that adds nothing new in the gameplay prospective, it no longer has a use people would want to exploit. Anything you can do with that POS can be done with a mobile depot placed out of D-Scan range.

Now in wormhole space it is overpowered, nobody has a reason currently to search every moon, D-scan is where you get all your information in a wormhole. So if I were careful I could tactically hide a covert POS in such a way that any passerby would never know it was there and if I only interacted with it in a safe manner the chances of somebody noting it's existence is very low. On top of that, I would use it to store back up ships in case of a siege on my wormhole, I would never touch it until I had a reason to defend my wormhole. There it would have a lot of power and the only gameplay it adds would be the requirement of the people sieging my wormhole to manually warp to every moon to make sure I don't have one, which is pointless, meaningless gameplay.

As I said before, the original version had a use, an aspect of added gameplay. My point being, the original version, though unquestionably flawed had a use. This evolved version does not, I in no way said that the previous version discredited the current, I merely pointed out the fact that evolving an idea to the point of uselessness is by no means making the idea any more viable. The final version is literally a mobile depot that doesn't show up on d-scan and stores ships which makes it the equivalent of the old super deep safes (with the added benefit of being able to store ships in a structure and refit) and there is a reason why CCP got rid of them.

To further prove my point that this is a useless addition to the game at this point, what incentive do I have to use this cloaked 'POS". Why don't I use a station, or a regular POS. Why don't I put a mobile depot in a 'deep' safe. You cannot find a middle ground for this covert mobile depot, it's either too safe in which it's overpowered or it's not safe enough in which the role would already be filled by current safer alternatives.

As I said, this adds no meaningful gameplay. It would be pointless to add to the game, this slot of gameplay has already been fleshed out.

I am. I'm constructively telling you this idea will go no where and you should move on to a new one.

Cloaking your POS seems useless unless its to hide it from war targets in high sec, and even then you have to Pray nobody thinks thats an empty moon and decloaks it while WT's are in system.

And even then all they need is a spy in your corp and its dead either way.

Honestly this does no good in the long run because someone will inevitably decloak it when either looking for a new spot or surveying moons they think are empty.

It would be found rather quickly, lots of people survey moons every day and bounce about moons in high sec, i bounce to moons whenever i gank someone for example

Your thread, you do the convincing

Ang- I personally think your idea was innovative. Flawed, but innovative. You even went so far as to give it glaring weaknesses such as no shields once its uncloaked. frankly, I think you should go back to the original idea but tweak it ina way such as this:

While cloaked: all modules are offlined. uses strontium and fuel to power the cloak. Uses twice the amount of fuel as reinforced but it has its own bay in the module itself. Consequently, though, since the shields go offline reinforced mode isn't possible after coming out of cloak until the shields come back online. The delay for the shield should be roughly five minutes of no combat. There should be a reactivation delay of at least an hour, too.


I mean, the very idea itself is going to draw massive flames from the community who is split between three types of people: the true sandboxers, the people who say they believe in a sandbox but really only believe in PvP, pirating, ganking, etc, and your people who say they believe in the sandbox (or sometimes not, for this group) and really only believe in carebear/hello kitty online. don't give up on an idea because a few flamers are going at you. The eve community is filled with bitter narcissists. Don't let them get you down :)

the only way i would accept and kinf of pos "cloaking" would be a module that has the fitting requiremnts of a EWAR structure and only removes the tower and mods from Dscan results. the forcefield however remains or the module dose